Valentine Charles Outwater I (1879-1960) was shot in a pool hall, but not killed in 1908. In 1920 he was arrested for public drunkenness. He worked as a cattle barge captain by 1930. (b. Saint Valentine's Day, February 14, 1879; Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, USA - d. May 21, 1960; Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, USA)
Name:
Valentine Charles Outwater I, and Val Outwater.
Parents:
Valentine was the son of Maurice Outwater (1837-?) aka Morris Outwater and Elizabeth or Katherine Shay.
Birth:
He used the date "February 14, 1879" for the World War I draft registration but he does not appear in the 1880 US census with his older siblings. He more likely was born in 1882. He used "February 14, 1882" for the World War II draft registration. His birth certificate or baptism record will show the correct year.
Siblings:
Val had the following siblings: perhaps Ella Outwater (1864-?) aka Elvira Outwater; George W. Outwater (1868-1931) who married Esther Beatty (1873-1910); Maurice Outwater II (1871-?) aka Morris Outwater; Ada Outwater (1873-?); Edward Outwater (1875-?); and Charles Outwater (1879-?).
Jersey City, New Jersey:
The family appears in the 1880 US Census living at 395 Grand Street in Jersey City. Valentine appears in the 1900 US Census living in Jersey City at a boarding house.
Marriage:
Val married Mary Smith (1890-1965) aka Mae Smith, on May 1, 1905 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Children:
Together they had the following children: Valentine Charles Outwater II (1906); Edward C. Outwater (1908-1973); Frances Outwater (1910-2000) who married Eugene Kelly; Eleanor Catherine Outwater (1912-1978) who married William Joseph Burke I (1905-1996); Mary Outwater (1913-1996) who married Martin Feeney (1902-1975); Valentine Charles Outwater III (1918-1997) who married Mildred Sawyer; Florence Outwater (1918-?); Louise Outwater (1920- ) who married Joseph Joseph Farrell (1918-1991); and Catherine Outwater (1926-2005) who married Edward Sawyer I.
Shot in a pool hall:
During a quarrel in the pool and billiard room of Frank D. Archangelio, in the rear of his barber shop at 772 Communipaw avenue, Jersey City, late Saturday night, between the proprietor and Valentine Outwater of 800 Bergen avenue, the latter struck De Archangelio in the face. The latter than drew a revolver and shot Outwater in the neck. He was taken to the City Hospital. where It was said last night that he would probably recover. Archangelio escaped. The quarrel arose over an attempt of Outwater to throw a lighted stove out of the room on a wager. (Source: New York Times on November 23, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Think Assailant May Be Suicide. Italian Barber Who Shot Man Last Saturday Cannot Be Found. Police are almost convinced that F. De Areangelis, the part owner of the barber shop and pool room at 722 Grand Street, who shot Valentine Outwater of 200 Bergen Avenue last Saturday night has committed suicide. The family of De Archangelio claim they do not know where he is and the police believe them. When the barber fled in the direction of Newark after the shooting, affray his coat was found on the bank of the Morris Canal in the West Side, and Wednesday afternoon Detective-Sergeants Blackshaw and Looney spent several hours dragging the canal. They were not successful in locating the body, but still believe that the Italian is either in the canal or the Hackensack." (Source: Jersey Journal on November 27, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Nab Barber Who Shot Man at Last. Headquarters Telephone Operator O'Donnell Gets De Archangel, Who Shot Outwater. Patrolman John O'Donnell, day telephone operator at Police Headquarters, yesterday arrested Frederick De Archangel, the barber, of 723 Grand Street, who a few weeks ago shot Valentine Outwater of 500 Bergen Avenue. O'Donnell on his way home to dinner yesterday saw De Archangel standing at Oakland and Newark Avenues and took him to Police Headquarters. The prisoner stated that he had to shoot Outwater to save himself from being killed. This shooting occurred in the shop of De Archangel. Outwater will be able to leave the City Hospital tomorrow. The prisoner is held on a charge of atrocious assault. (Source: Jersey Journal on December 9, 1908)
World War I:
He registered for the draft on September 12, 1918, while living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. He had blue eyes and brown hair, had a medium build and height. He was working as a machinist at "Graves Machinists" on Jonston Avenue in Jersey City.
Jersey City, New Jersey:
He appears in the 1920 US Census living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. In 1930 the family was renting a unit at 579 Grand Street in Jersey City and he is listed as "Vally Ostwanters" and his occupation is "barge captain".
Occupation:
He worked as a machinist in 1918, and as a captain on a cattle barge in 1930. His son, Edward, worked as his deck hand on the barge.
Public intoxication:
Four Are Held As Holiday "Drunks". Four alleged "drunks" were brought into the Communipaw Avenue station over the holiday weekend. Tom Manning, aged 46, of 313 East Forty-third Street, New York, was arrested on Pacific Avenue by Patrolman McGovern Saturday afternoon. He was very mild. Valentine Outwater, aged 41, of 127 Manning Avenue, however, who was arrested at 591 Grand Street by Patrolman Schoenfelder about four-thirty yesterday morning, was said to be "fighting drunk." The cop stated that he was forced to "use force," and the result was that Outwater, before being put in the lock-up, was taken in the auto patrol to the City Hospital to get treatment for a laceration of the scalp … (Source: Jersey Journal on September 7, 1920)
Death:
He died on May 21, 1960 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Burial:
He was buried in Bayview-New York Bay Cemetery.
Research:
Researched and written by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) for Findagrave starting on January 24, 2004. Updated on August 16, 2013 with information from the Jersey Journal on him being shot. Updated on June 19, 2017 with the year of birth from his tombstone. Updated on September 25, 2022 with the text of an article on his public intoxication.
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Name:
Valentine Charles Outwater I, and Val Outwater.
Parents:
Valentine was the son of Maurice Outwater (1837-?) aka Morris Outwater and Elizabeth or Katherine Shay.
Birth:
He used the date "February 14, 1879" for the World War I draft registration but he does not appear in the 1880 US census with his older siblings. He more likely was born in 1882. He used "February 14, 1882" for the World War II draft registration. His birth certificate or baptism record will show the correct year.
Siblings:
Val had the following siblings: perhaps Ella Outwater (1864-?) aka Elvira Outwater; George W. Outwater (1868-1931) who married Esther Beatty (1873-1910); Maurice Outwater II (1871-?) aka Morris Outwater; Ada Outwater (1873-?); Edward Outwater (1875-?); and Charles Outwater (1879-?).
Jersey City, New Jersey:
The family appears in the 1880 US Census living at 395 Grand Street in Jersey City. Valentine appears in the 1900 US Census living in Jersey City at a boarding house.
Marriage:
Val married Mary Smith (1890-1965) aka Mae Smith, on May 1, 1905 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Children:
Together they had the following children: Valentine Charles Outwater II (1906); Edward C. Outwater (1908-1973); Frances Outwater (1910-2000) who married Eugene Kelly; Eleanor Catherine Outwater (1912-1978) who married William Joseph Burke I (1905-1996); Mary Outwater (1913-1996) who married Martin Feeney (1902-1975); Valentine Charles Outwater III (1918-1997) who married Mildred Sawyer; Florence Outwater (1918-?); Louise Outwater (1920- ) who married Joseph Joseph Farrell (1918-1991); and Catherine Outwater (1926-2005) who married Edward Sawyer I.
Shot in a pool hall:
During a quarrel in the pool and billiard room of Frank D. Archangelio, in the rear of his barber shop at 772 Communipaw avenue, Jersey City, late Saturday night, between the proprietor and Valentine Outwater of 800 Bergen avenue, the latter struck De Archangelio in the face. The latter than drew a revolver and shot Outwater in the neck. He was taken to the City Hospital. where It was said last night that he would probably recover. Archangelio escaped. The quarrel arose over an attempt of Outwater to throw a lighted stove out of the room on a wager. (Source: New York Times on November 23, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Think Assailant May Be Suicide. Italian Barber Who Shot Man Last Saturday Cannot Be Found. Police are almost convinced that F. De Areangelis, the part owner of the barber shop and pool room at 722 Grand Street, who shot Valentine Outwater of 200 Bergen Avenue last Saturday night has committed suicide. The family of De Archangelio claim they do not know where he is and the police believe them. When the barber fled in the direction of Newark after the shooting, affray his coat was found on the bank of the Morris Canal in the West Side, and Wednesday afternoon Detective-Sergeants Blackshaw and Looney spent several hours dragging the canal. They were not successful in locating the body, but still believe that the Italian is either in the canal or the Hackensack." (Source: Jersey Journal on November 27, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Nab Barber Who Shot Man at Last. Headquarters Telephone Operator O'Donnell Gets De Archangel, Who Shot Outwater. Patrolman John O'Donnell, day telephone operator at Police Headquarters, yesterday arrested Frederick De Archangel, the barber, of 723 Grand Street, who a few weeks ago shot Valentine Outwater of 500 Bergen Avenue. O'Donnell on his way home to dinner yesterday saw De Archangel standing at Oakland and Newark Avenues and took him to Police Headquarters. The prisoner stated that he had to shoot Outwater to save himself from being killed. This shooting occurred in the shop of De Archangel. Outwater will be able to leave the City Hospital tomorrow. The prisoner is held on a charge of atrocious assault. (Source: Jersey Journal on December 9, 1908)
World War I:
He registered for the draft on September 12, 1918, while living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. He had blue eyes and brown hair, had a medium build and height. He was working as a machinist at "Graves Machinists" on Jonston Avenue in Jersey City.
Jersey City, New Jersey:
He appears in the 1920 US Census living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. In 1930 the family was renting a unit at 579 Grand Street in Jersey City and he is listed as "Vally Ostwanters" and his occupation is "barge captain".
Occupation:
He worked as a machinist in 1918, and as a captain on a cattle barge in 1930. His son, Edward, worked as his deck hand on the barge.
Public intoxication:
Four Are Held As Holiday "Drunks". Four alleged "drunks" were brought into the Communipaw Avenue station over the holiday weekend. Tom Manning, aged 46, of 313 East Forty-third Street, New York, was arrested on Pacific Avenue by Patrolman McGovern Saturday afternoon. He was very mild. Valentine Outwater, aged 41, of 127 Manning Avenue, however, who was arrested at 591 Grand Street by Patrolman Schoenfelder about four-thirty yesterday morning, was said to be "fighting drunk." The cop stated that he was forced to "use force," and the result was that Outwater, before being put in the lock-up, was taken in the auto patrol to the City Hospital to get treatment for a laceration of the scalp … (Source: Jersey Journal on September 7, 1920)
Death:
He died on May 21, 1960 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Burial:
He was buried in Bayview-New York Bay Cemetery.
Research:
Researched and written by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) for Findagrave starting on January 24, 2004. Updated on August 16, 2013 with information from the Jersey Journal on him being shot. Updated on June 19, 2017 with the year of birth from his tombstone. Updated on September 25, 2022 with the text of an article on his public intoxication.
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Valentine Charles Outwater I (1879-1960) was shot in a pool hall, but not killed in 1908. In 1920 he was arrested for public drunkenness. He worked as a cattle barge captain by 1930. (b. Saint Valentine's Day, February 14, 1879; Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, USA - d. May 21, 1960; Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, USA)
Name:
Valentine Charles Outwater I, and Val Outwater.
Parents:
Valentine was the son of Maurice Outwater (1837-?) aka Morris Outwater and Elizabeth or Katherine Shay.
Birth:
He used the date "February 14, 1879" for the World War I draft registration but he does not appear in the 1880 US census with his older siblings. He more likely was born in 1882. He used "February 14, 1882" for the World War II draft registration. His birth certificate or baptism record will show the correct year.
Siblings:
Val had the following siblings: perhaps Ella Outwater (1864-?) aka Elvira Outwater; George W. Outwater (1868-1931) who married Esther Beatty (1873-1910); Maurice Outwater II (1871-?) aka Morris Outwater; Ada Outwater (1873-?); Edward Outwater (1875-?); and Charles Outwater (1879-?).
Jersey City, New Jersey:
The family appears in the 1880 US Census living at 395 Grand Street in Jersey City. Valentine appears in the 1900 US Census living in Jersey City at a boarding house.
Marriage:
Val married Mary Smith (1890-1965) aka Mae Smith, on May 1, 1905 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Children:
Together they had the following children: Valentine Charles Outwater II (1906); Edward C. Outwater (1908-1973); Frances Outwater (1910-2000) who married Eugene Kelly; Eleanor Catherine Outwater (1912-1978) who married William Joseph Burke I (1905-1996); Mary Outwater (1913-1996) who married Martin Feeney (1902-1975); Valentine Charles Outwater III (1918-1997) who married Mildred Sawyer; Florence Outwater (1918-?); Louise Outwater (1920- ) who married Joseph Joseph Farrell (1918-1991); and Catherine Outwater (1926-2005) who married Edward Sawyer I.
Shot in a pool hall:
During a quarrel in the pool and billiard room of Frank D. Archangelio, in the rear of his barber shop at 772 Communipaw avenue, Jersey City, late Saturday night, between the proprietor and Valentine Outwater of 800 Bergen avenue, the latter struck De Archangelio in the face. The latter than drew a revolver and shot Outwater in the neck. He was taken to the City Hospital. where It was said last night that he would probably recover. Archangelio escaped. The quarrel arose over an attempt of Outwater to throw a lighted stove out of the room on a wager. (Source: New York Times on November 23, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Think Assailant May Be Suicide. Italian Barber Who Shot Man Last Saturday Cannot Be Found. Police are almost convinced that F. De Areangelis, the part owner of the barber shop and pool room at 722 Grand Street, who shot Valentine Outwater of 200 Bergen Avenue last Saturday night has committed suicide. The family of De Archangelio claim they do not know where he is and the police believe them. When the barber fled in the direction of Newark after the shooting, affray his coat was found on the bank of the Morris Canal in the West Side, and Wednesday afternoon Detective-Sergeants Blackshaw and Looney spent several hours dragging the canal. They were not successful in locating the body, but still believe that the Italian is either in the canal or the Hackensack." (Source: Jersey Journal on November 27, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Nab Barber Who Shot Man at Last. Headquarters Telephone Operator O'Donnell Gets De Archangel, Who Shot Outwater. Patrolman John O'Donnell, day telephone operator at Police Headquarters, yesterday arrested Frederick De Archangel, the barber, of 723 Grand Street, who a few weeks ago shot Valentine Outwater of 500 Bergen Avenue. O'Donnell on his way home to dinner yesterday saw De Archangel standing at Oakland and Newark Avenues and took him to Police Headquarters. The prisoner stated that he had to shoot Outwater to save himself from being killed. This shooting occurred in the shop of De Archangel. Outwater will be able to leave the City Hospital tomorrow. The prisoner is held on a charge of atrocious assault. (Source: Jersey Journal on December 9, 1908)
World War I:
He registered for the draft on September 12, 1918, while living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. He had blue eyes and brown hair, had a medium build and height. He was working as a machinist at "Graves Machinists" on Jonston Avenue in Jersey City.
Jersey City, New Jersey:
He appears in the 1920 US Census living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. In 1930 the family was renting a unit at 579 Grand Street in Jersey City and he is listed as "Vally Ostwanters" and his occupation is "barge captain".
Occupation:
He worked as a machinist in 1918, and as a captain on a cattle barge in 1930. His son, Edward, worked as his deck hand on the barge.
Public intoxication:
Four Are Held As Holiday "Drunks". Four alleged "drunks" were brought into the Communipaw Avenue station over the holiday weekend. Tom Manning, aged 46, of 313 East Forty-third Street, New York, was arrested on Pacific Avenue by Patrolman McGovern Saturday afternoon. He was very mild. Valentine Outwater, aged 41, of 127 Manning Avenue, however, who was arrested at 591 Grand Street by Patrolman Schoenfelder about four-thirty yesterday morning, was said to be "fighting drunk." The cop stated that he was forced to "use force," and the result was that Outwater, before being put in the lock-up, was taken in the auto patrol to the City Hospital to get treatment for a laceration of the scalp … (Source: Jersey Journal on September 7, 1920)
Death:
He died on May 21, 1960 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Burial:
He was buried in Bayview-New York Bay Cemetery.
Research:
Researched and written by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) for Findagrave starting on January 24, 2004. Updated on August 16, 2013 with information from the Jersey Journal on him being shot. Updated on June 19, 2017 with the year of birth from his tombstone. Updated on September 25, 2022 with the text of an article on his public intoxication.
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Name:
Valentine Charles Outwater I, and Val Outwater.
Parents:
Valentine was the son of Maurice Outwater (1837-?) aka Morris Outwater and Elizabeth or Katherine Shay.
Birth:
He used the date "February 14, 1879" for the World War I draft registration but he does not appear in the 1880 US census with his older siblings. He more likely was born in 1882. He used "February 14, 1882" for the World War II draft registration. His birth certificate or baptism record will show the correct year.
Siblings:
Val had the following siblings: perhaps Ella Outwater (1864-?) aka Elvira Outwater; George W. Outwater (1868-1931) who married Esther Beatty (1873-1910); Maurice Outwater II (1871-?) aka Morris Outwater; Ada Outwater (1873-?); Edward Outwater (1875-?); and Charles Outwater (1879-?).
Jersey City, New Jersey:
The family appears in the 1880 US Census living at 395 Grand Street in Jersey City. Valentine appears in the 1900 US Census living in Jersey City at a boarding house.
Marriage:
Val married Mary Smith (1890-1965) aka Mae Smith, on May 1, 1905 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Children:
Together they had the following children: Valentine Charles Outwater II (1906); Edward C. Outwater (1908-1973); Frances Outwater (1910-2000) who married Eugene Kelly; Eleanor Catherine Outwater (1912-1978) who married William Joseph Burke I (1905-1996); Mary Outwater (1913-1996) who married Martin Feeney (1902-1975); Valentine Charles Outwater III (1918-1997) who married Mildred Sawyer; Florence Outwater (1918-?); Louise Outwater (1920- ) who married Joseph Joseph Farrell (1918-1991); and Catherine Outwater (1926-2005) who married Edward Sawyer I.
Shot in a pool hall:
During a quarrel in the pool and billiard room of Frank D. Archangelio, in the rear of his barber shop at 772 Communipaw avenue, Jersey City, late Saturday night, between the proprietor and Valentine Outwater of 800 Bergen avenue, the latter struck De Archangelio in the face. The latter than drew a revolver and shot Outwater in the neck. He was taken to the City Hospital. where It was said last night that he would probably recover. Archangelio escaped. The quarrel arose over an attempt of Outwater to throw a lighted stove out of the room on a wager. (Source: New York Times on November 23, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Think Assailant May Be Suicide. Italian Barber Who Shot Man Last Saturday Cannot Be Found. Police are almost convinced that F. De Areangelis, the part owner of the barber shop and pool room at 722 Grand Street, who shot Valentine Outwater of 200 Bergen Avenue last Saturday night has committed suicide. The family of De Archangelio claim they do not know where he is and the police believe them. When the barber fled in the direction of Newark after the shooting, affray his coat was found on the bank of the Morris Canal in the West Side, and Wednesday afternoon Detective-Sergeants Blackshaw and Looney spent several hours dragging the canal. They were not successful in locating the body, but still believe that the Italian is either in the canal or the Hackensack." (Source: Jersey Journal on November 27, 1908)
Shot in a pool hall:
Nab Barber Who Shot Man at Last. Headquarters Telephone Operator O'Donnell Gets De Archangel, Who Shot Outwater. Patrolman John O'Donnell, day telephone operator at Police Headquarters, yesterday arrested Frederick De Archangel, the barber, of 723 Grand Street, who a few weeks ago shot Valentine Outwater of 500 Bergen Avenue. O'Donnell on his way home to dinner yesterday saw De Archangel standing at Oakland and Newark Avenues and took him to Police Headquarters. The prisoner stated that he had to shoot Outwater to save himself from being killed. This shooting occurred in the shop of De Archangel. Outwater will be able to leave the City Hospital tomorrow. The prisoner is held on a charge of atrocious assault. (Source: Jersey Journal on December 9, 1908)
World War I:
He registered for the draft on September 12, 1918, while living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. He had blue eyes and brown hair, had a medium build and height. He was working as a machinist at "Graves Machinists" on Jonston Avenue in Jersey City.
Jersey City, New Jersey:
He appears in the 1920 US Census living at 127 Manning Avenue in Jersey City. In 1930 the family was renting a unit at 579 Grand Street in Jersey City and he is listed as "Vally Ostwanters" and his occupation is "barge captain".
Occupation:
He worked as a machinist in 1918, and as a captain on a cattle barge in 1930. His son, Edward, worked as his deck hand on the barge.
Public intoxication:
Four Are Held As Holiday "Drunks". Four alleged "drunks" were brought into the Communipaw Avenue station over the holiday weekend. Tom Manning, aged 46, of 313 East Forty-third Street, New York, was arrested on Pacific Avenue by Patrolman McGovern Saturday afternoon. He was very mild. Valentine Outwater, aged 41, of 127 Manning Avenue, however, who was arrested at 591 Grand Street by Patrolman Schoenfelder about four-thirty yesterday morning, was said to be "fighting drunk." The cop stated that he was forced to "use force," and the result was that Outwater, before being put in the lock-up, was taken in the auto patrol to the City Hospital to get treatment for a laceration of the scalp … (Source: Jersey Journal on September 7, 1920)
Death:
He died on May 21, 1960 in Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey.
Burial:
He was buried in Bayview-New York Bay Cemetery.
Research:
Researched and written by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) for Findagrave starting on January 24, 2004. Updated on August 16, 2013 with information from the Jersey Journal on him being shot. Updated on June 19, 2017 with the year of birth from his tombstone. Updated on September 25, 2022 with the text of an article on his public intoxication.
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