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The Ancestor Hunter (#46853198)
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Tim Gruber
Joseph Bane # 16820210
I have contacted the Buckingham Cemetery Association and spoken to the association director personally (if you doubt it I'll give you her name and number).

After carefully checking their records she said they have absolutely no record showing Sarah Bane married to Joseph Bane. So whoever told you that didn't know what they were talking about.

Joseph was married at age 20 in 1832 to Francis meaning that for your assumption that Sarah was possibly Joseph's first wife and died before he married Francis he would have had to marry her when he was a teenager.

Let's stop playing games and amateur genealogist. Joseph was only ever married to Francis. All the evidence states so and there is NO evidence (including in the cemetery records)he was ever married any Sarah.

Also please stop looking for excuses and just transfer his memorial to anyone one of us who is a descendent. He is not your ancestor and it is more than obvious you really don't care about him. We do obviously do.

Added by Tim Gruber on Dec 05, 2016 11:38 AM

Ann Thompson
Joseph Bane # 16820210
I have carefully reviewed all the messages and "opinions" regarding the allegation that Joseph L Bane was married to two women, namely Frances and Sarah. While I can respect an opinion that has some basis in fact, I have professionally always had to carefully weigh the evidence of fact that supports anything put forth as an opinion. The owner, in this instance, makes reference to, and relies, upon the opinion of an apparently local historian, without naming the individual or the facts underlying his/her opinion. The only obvious evidence of a marital relationship between Joseph and Sarah is the fact that their headstones are situated next to each other and they share the same surname. There is, based on census records, written evidence that a Sarah Bane was a niece to Joseph, being the daughter of his brother. This Sarah was born in 1837 and died a spinster in 1919 . That would explain how the surname Bane appeared on her headstone and also provides an explanation why she was buried next to him, given she had no parents at that time and would have needed a place to be buried with family, because she had no husband. To think that this Sarah somehow married Joseph during her lifetime is farfetched at best. She was his niece, and people sharing that relationship in the 19th century did not marry. Further, if she married, even at age 16, Joseph would have been a married man of 41 at the time. The much age difference usual occurred only when the husband's 1st wife died and he needed someone to care for his young children. In this case Joseph died in 1865, and Francis died as his widow in 1883, 50 years after her marriage to a 19-year-old Joseph, so Joseph could not have married Sarah before he married Francis. To accept the theory that Joseph had 2 wives, therefore labels him a bigamist and philanderer and we should have more respect for the dead than that. That is why not all opinions should be valued or weighed the same. It would be appreciated if the owner would relinquish the rights to this memorial, especially to a direct descendant, and there are lots out there, so that the reputations of those who have passed on can be protected and preserved properly. I always remain open to reviewing any additional evidence on this issue. Sincerely, Lew and Ann Thompson

Added by Ann Thompson on Nov 16, 2016 9:38 AM

EatatJoes
Joseph Bane # 16820210
Here's my edit. Remove everything in the Bio except:

"The 1850 census does show a J L Bane in Washington living with his wife Frances and children John, Arthur, F N, Catharine, Calvin and M L. Living next to the family was Sebastin (50)& Elizabeth Bane (61).

The 1860 Washington county census shows a Joseph L Bane (born abt 1812) a tax collector, with a wife Frances (b. abt 1816) and children Arthur, Cathrine, James C, Mary L & Charlotte. They were living next to Sebastain Bane age 60 a farmer."

The rest is Total Bull and an absolute insult to us who descend from this person. The other information is apparently the work of amateurs who have no connection to our Joseph. Imagine how you would feel if the manager of a memorial for one of your key ancestors posted everybody's opinion no matter how invalid. That's what you have done with our Joseph. This is not some Facebook page or website forum where everyone's opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

Again please transfer this ONE memorial to any one of us (transferring one memorial won't kill you). We'll worry about any further edits which will be based on facts that any professional genealogist would stand by (at least any professional genealogist who wanted to keep their license). Again this is a reasonable request and there is no reason you absolutely must hold onto to this ONE memorial (no matter how much you may feel you have to control what is posted on a memorial you created).

Added by EatatJoes on Nov 13, 2016 6:24 PM

Tim Gruber
RE: Joseph Bane # 16820210
Frankly it sounds like your just making excuses. Harry laid a case showing they there is only one correct viewpoint and the others are patently incorrect. You want to act as if they are all still valid. Nonsense. I'll repeat the evidence Harry presented to you against the other two "viewpoints":

"You cite a Joseph Bane born 16 years after our You cite the 1860 census of Greene County, PA which lists a Joseph Bane born circa 1828 and married to Jane (and not Sarah). It turns out that Joseph was actually Jasper Bane # 72130372. I can state this as a fact because I tracked down each of the children listed in the 1860 and 1870 censuses and 4 of 5 children's death certificates list Jasper as their father (the remaining child died in 1897). Not one listed Sarah as their mother. Quite a few researchers on Ancestry and Familysearch back up my findings. So in no way is this the same Joseph and he certainly was never married to a Sarah."

So that claim is totally and absolutely wrong. Hereís the other claim about our Joseph allegedly being married to a Sarah:

"The Sarah Bane you claim is our Joseph Bane's wife is never listed in the census as married to any Joseph that comes close to being born in 1812. In fact I could not find any Sarah married to any Joseph or Lemon or J. L. Bane (or any similar spelling) in any census record before 1900 anywhere near the Washington County, PA area let alone before 1866. However, I did find a Sarah Bane born circa 1837, died Aug 23, 1919 and who is buried in Buckingham Cemetery according to her death certificate. She was the single daughter of Seth and Eleanor Bane and niece to our Joseph. Most likely it is her grave marker that is next to Joseph's tombstone. Someone probably assumed they were married, but simply being buried next to someone is never evidence of being married when they don't share the same grave marker and especially in an old cemetery where family plots were not the norm at the time."

So there is no evidence that our Joseph was married to any Sarah. There is plenty of evidence he was married to Francis Watt and ONLY Francis Watt, PERIOD, end of story.

Someone who doesnít know anything about our Joseph finds a Joseph mentioned somewhere and they assume itís the same one, repeat ASS-U-ME. Frankly itís very amateurish and any reputable genealogist would (and does) consider it laughable to suggest otherwise. So please stop trying to act like some kind of referee for over someone you donít have a connection to and apparently know nothing about. We are not trying to own every memorial of all our ancestors and relatives. We are making a very reasonable request for one memorial to be transferred to us as we are actual descendents of this Joseph. But Iíll tell you what let us know when you find a descendent of the other two alleged wives Jane and Sarah. But donít hold your breath waiting for them because THEY DO NOT EXIST AND NEVER HAVE because they were NEVER married to our Joseph. And you wonder why we want the memorial out of your hands?

Added by Tim Gruber on Nov 13, 2016 5:46 PM

Tim Gruber
Joseph Bane # 16820210
Harry (EatatJoes) is right, it isn't asking too much. Do you actually have a valid reason for wanting to hold onto this particular memorial other than just not wanting to transfer any memorial you created?

Please transfer this memorial to anyone of us that is a direct descendent. This person is vastly more important to us than he could ever be to you.

Added by Tim Gruber on Nov 13, 2016 7:36 AM

TurningHearts
RE: Ann Wayne Hayman
Thanks for the insight. I would go with the family record books.

Added by TurningHearts on Nov 12, 2016 5:02 PM

TurningHearts
Ann Wayne Hayman
A findagrave volunteer has reported that the office at Old Saint David Church Cemetery at Wayne, Pa. contends that the above is not on their records.
You have much information at the memorial.

Two others reported similar results for other graves the same cemetery????

Strange!
Judy

Added by TurningHearts on Nov 11, 2016 6:37 PM

EatatJoes
RE: Joseph Lemon Bane
Why are you so determined to "own" this memorial indefinitely? Are you simply unwilling to transfer management of this or any memorial you created and feel you have to control what is on it?

If you'll note on my find-a-grave profile page I posted long ago "If there are any memorials you would like transferred to you just ask."

If someone has a much greater interest in any memorial I've created I don't hesitate and haven't hesitated to transfer them (particularly if they're closely related to the person).

Is this really asking too much?

Added by EatatJoes on Nov 02, 2016 2:39 AM

Karen L (Gregory) Largent
RE: John Buckingham
Hi, I see that they are for two different people now. Thanks for showing me my error. And thanks for your great work!

Karen

Added by Karen L (Gregory) Large... on Nov 01, 2016 11:24 AM

EatatJoes
RE: Joseph Lemon Bane
Then why do you feel the need to "own" this memorial rather than allowing someone who is direct descendant manage it? Acting like a referee and holding onto this memorial simply because you created it first rather than because you are directly related to this person is unreasonable especially when the contrary facts you cite are totally bogus. And yes, I do know several of the other direct descendants who requested a transfer and we have agreed it should be in the hands of someone who cares about this person and wants the facts corrected.

And facts are facts rather than "opinion". The fact is Joseph only had one wife and she was Francis, period. We and others have researched this person quite a bit. The person who gave you this so called evidence of Joseph married to Sarah rather than Francis doesn't know much about Joseph and is absolutely quite misinformed. And we very seriously doubt they are a direct descendant.

You cite the 1860 census of Greene County, PA which lists a Joseph Bane born circa 1828 and married to Jane (and not Sarah). It turns out that Joseph was actually Jasper Bane # 72130372. I can state this as a fact because I tracked down each of the children listed in the 1860 and 1870 censuses and 4 of 5 children's death certificates list Jasper as their father (the remaining child died in 1897). Not one listed Sarah as their mother. Quite a few researchers on Ancestry and Familysearch back up my findings. So in no way is this the same Joseph and he certainly was never married to a Sarah.

The Sarah Bane you claim is our Joseph Bane's wife is never listed in the census as married to any Joseph that comes close to being born in 1812. In fact I could not find any Sarah married to any Joseph or Lemon or J. L. Bane (or any similar spelling) in any census record before 1900 anywhere near the Washington County, PA area let alone before 1866. However, I did find a Sarah Bane born circa 1837, died Aug 23, 1919 and who is buried in Buckingham Cemetery according to her death certificate. She was the single daughter of Seth and Eleanor Bane and niece to our Joseph. Most likely it is her grave marker that is next to Joseph's tombstone. Someone probably assumed they were married, but simply being buried next to someone is never evidence of being married when they don't share the same grave marker and especially in an old cemetery where family plots were not the norm at the time.

If you have any actual evidence that Sarah was married to our Joseph other than "they are buried next to each other" and a Joseph listed in the census in the next county born 16 years after our Joseph (and married to Jane rather than a Sarah) we would love to hear it. Otherwise please be so kind as to transfer the management of Joseph's memorial to any one of us.

Added by EatatJoes on Nov 01, 2016 6:04 AM

EatatJoes
Joseph Bane # 16820210
Is there any particular reason you seem to be unwilling to transfer management of this memorial to someone who is directly related to Joseph Bane?

You didn't reply to my request through the memorial itself. And yes I am a direct descendant.

Added by EatatJoes on Oct 31, 2016 6:48 AM

fay Hall
Mary Mattox Peak, 6-6-1876 - 1910
Mary is my maternal grandmother and I have search and search all the cemeteries in Fairfield and Kershaw Counties, South Carolina and cannot find any information concerning her grave.
She had a twin sister, Martha Mattox Peak and I have found her grave and also Mary's husband, Henry Tally Peak, 3-Dec 1873 - 1949, Fairfield County. If you could help me find her grave site, it would be appreciated and I am also willing to pay a fee for the information. I need this for DAR application.

Thanks Fay Hall. My email address is fayhall5@gmail.com

Added by fay Hall on Oct 05, 2016 1:41 PM

Jen Drake
RE: wafler email
thank you

Added by Jen Drake on Sep 23, 2016 10:59 AM

Diane
Christopher Brahmstadt duplicate
true. you could message the person who posted the picture and ask them to post it on the other site before taking it down.
Thanks

Added by Diane on Aug 22, 2016 12:53 PM

Little Lady
RE: Elizabeth Swagler Buckingham
Well, the information can be found on familysearch.org. That is where I found the information for both sons. Thanks! :)

Added by Little Lady on Jul 17, 2016 3:41 PM

Gerald Heston
Morgan Jones #56133464
Morgan Jones #56133464 was my 4th great grandfather. I have the Bible of his daughter Elizabeth who married Benjamin Standiford.

The Bible says Morgan Jones was born 15 July 1774 and died 23 Mar 1853.

His wife was Ruth Jackson who died 1 Mar 1829, age 45 years/5 months/9 days (makes her birth date about 20 Sep 1783). Family lore says she was from the same family as General "Stonewall" Jackson.

Where did you get all this great information for the Jones family?

Thanks,
Gerald Heston

Added by Gerald Heston on Jul 02, 2016 2:59 PM

Wylie Raab
Memorial #15589606 Alexander McCullough
This memorial indicates his birth in County Donegal, Ireland. Do you by chance have a source for that info? Thank you! Wylie Gibson Raab wylie.raab@gmail.com

Added by Wylie Raab on Jun 25, 2016 3:55 PM

Gayle Basaldu
RE: Enoch Morgan marker
Thank you so much for the update on the gravestone for Enoch Morgan. I am so very thankful that his gravestone inscription was recorded at an earlier date. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain the situation to me. God bless you!

Gayle

Added by Gayle Basaldu on Jun 17, 2016 8:48 PM

Beth Martin
Memorial# 96280595
Hello,

Thank you for creating the memorial of Ezekial Zollars. I see you were trying to locate his parents, "Sarah and Ned" Zollars. I confess the picture of the tombstone is too worn down to see the description myself, but I may have an answer for you.

I believe his parents were Sarah and "Neal" Zollars. If the "a" fused with the "l" on the tombstone, I could see how it could have been read as Ned. In addition, in 1893 the book Commemorative Biographical Record of Washington County, Pennsylvania by J.H. Beers lists out Neal Zollars and Sarah Martin's children as follows:

"George, Joseph, Nancy (deceased), Ezekiel (deceased), Grant, Kate, Elmira, and Martha Zollars".

It was published 1893. In addition this couple can be found in Morris, Washington Co Pa in 1870 with children George, Joseph, Nancy and Ulysses Grant. (Name mistranscribed Lollara on Ancestry, Lollers on familysearch). 1880 has them East Bethlehem, Washington Co. Additional children Catherine, Mary A. and Martha are found.

I believe Mary A. is the missing Elmira. All in all I've found this book to be remarkably accurate and provable. They seem to have interviewed relatives of the family to get the information. So I think his parents are Neal and Sarah Zollars of Beallsville Cemetery. Both of them have duplicate memorials so give me a bit to message their creators and see if they can agree to reduce the number of memorials to one. If you agree with this relation, I will submit an edit to Ezekial to add the relationships to the single memorials when finished.

Added by Beth Martin on Jun 17, 2016 12:47 PM

Jimmy DeHart Sr
RE: Memorial 28678969
First, that section of ground is for the Evans family. If you look at all the grave markers there this marker is the largest and most prevalent for the Evans family. John Evans Sr was the most distinguished member of the Evans family. He lived only a block away from the cemetery, his son also only lived a couple blocks away, his home still stands on Sharpless Rd "John Evans Sr.". John donated the land the church is built on and formed the London Britain Township both in the year 1725. John owned most if not all of the land in London Britain township where the Church is located. I could not 100% read or say this is his grave marker but I would put a stake on it that it is. Also note he died two years after his son, John would've been buried next to his son. His grave marker would've been like his sons but better, John Sr was so much more well known to the residents all around. Looking at the choices you have this would have to be his grave marker. John Sr. would not have had just a stone, there is no others of this type to choose from and this type of marker would have not washed away in any flood!

Added by Jimmy DeHart Sr on Mar 13, 2016 1:45 PM

Kenneth Neundorf
Jeremiah Rufus Long
Thanks for all the great information.

Ken

Added by Kenneth Neundorf on Mar 10, 2016 6:54 PM

HJ
Apology
My error, I did not look first. I see now that his last name has been corrected. Thank you, that will help some with searches.

Added by HJ on Mar 09, 2016 4:23 AM

HJ
RE: Jno. B. Ackburn
Thank you for posting the military info. One question--how will anyone find him in a search, if the name remains entered incorrectly? If you look carefully at the top photo of the marker, you can see the bottom horizontal leg of the partially missing letter "L." The name was not inscribed incorrectly, the stone is damaged. Also, the policy does state to use full names when known. No one searching for John Blackburn will find the memorial for Jno Ackburn. Will you please reconsider correcting his name? Thank you!

Added by HJ on Mar 09, 2016 4:12 AM

Deb McCallister
RE: Pvt John W Hull 69914600
Per Illinois Soldier Burial Places: 1774 -1974
he died in 1905 and is buried in Lacon Cemetery

Added by Deb McCallister on Mar 01, 2016 2:55 PM

Cathleen Sheibley Miller Kalin
RE: Jabesh Heaton
Thank you so much for the transfer. I will take good care of his memorial. Keep up the great work and its been a pleasure working with you.

Cathy

Added by Cathleen Sheibley Miller ... on Feb 26, 2016 7:40 AM

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