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Janet Muff (#46951416)
 member for 8 years, 7 months, 19 days
RE: Three children of John Ray (1802-1868) | North Russell Cemetery; Plot 43
Very interesting; does your husband have an Ancestry DNA profile? If yes, via a search filter of surname "Ray," we can quickly tell if your Rays are mine. That is, if his Mayflower line is not mine - and I have 12 via 8 compact signatories! But if related, should show up. My Ancestry DNA profile has the same handle as this Find-a-Grave account: pkarchs. And to be clear, the Middletown/Tinmouth Rays are descendants of immigrant Daniel Ray of Plymouth/Salem, correct? As for the burial of Orin Linden Ray, the NYG&B copy was hand stitched into a larger volume with many other documents - perhaps a personal presentation copy from William George Ray himself to the NYG&B as many publishers did. I'll re-pull it to see what other info might be there, including later notations by others.

Philip in NYC

Added by pkarchs on Jun 26, 2016 3:38 PM

Barbara Hanno
RE: Brookins
Hi Janet, Yes, I do assume that Ithamar is buried beside Judith. But I meant in the written vital records of New Marlborough I didn't find any entry about any Brookins or any Morgans, such as a birth, marriage or death, other than the entry for Cyrus and Lois Brookins. I'll go look again sometime when I have more leisure. Thanks for all your help!

Added by Barbara Hanno on Jun 26, 2016 7:13 AM

RE: Three children of John Ray (1802-1868) | North Russell Cemetery; Plot 43
Citations forwarded via separate email. As mentioned there, I seek information related to ANY SMITH/RAY marriages, period especially male Smith to female Ray in NY, VT, MA around 1790 or so. In searching for the parents of my 3x gr-grandfather, George Ray Smith (1813-1878, F-A-G No. 62999220), Im banking on his middle name being maternally derived. I'm scouring every RAY and SMITH, et al. text this summer with special focus on the collections of the NYG&B at NYPL and the Rare and Manuscript Collections at Cornell U as they were given a huge cache of church records across New England by a collector of "religious treatises" -- entirely off the genealogical radar. I found my George R. Ray's wife's church membership there entirely by accident, of course. NYS Library, Albany in September.

In your Vermont travels, send any/all SMITH/RAY discoveries my way.

Enjoy VT,

Philip in NYC

Added by pkarchs on Jun 23, 2016 6:22 AM

Barbara Hanno
RE: Cyrus Brookins
Hi Janet, It is an entry from Births and Deaths, so not marriage. But thought you might like a photo of the original entry. I always try to find the primary sources rather than recapitulations. The children are Reuben and twins, Luther and Calvin. Wish I had found Ithamar and Judith, but nice to see Cyrus and Lois.

Added by Barbara Hanno on Jun 22, 2016 8:45 PM

Kevin Mullen
Stephen Long
Hi Dr. Stephen Long Married Susanna Little.

Added by Kevin Mullen on Jun 21, 2016 8:23 AM

Three children of John Ray (1802-1868) | North Russell Cemetery; Plot 43
Friendly notice: I created specific tab edits for each of the three children of John Ray and wife Diadama Lawrence (1807-1880), each of whom are identified in the recollections of Orin Linden Ray (nephew of John and Diadema) as published by William G. Ray, Grinnell Iowa, 1919. You manage memorials for two of them and Harlow in particular is incorrectly linked; bios for children and parents need correcting. The children were:

Harlow H. Ray (1827-1869)
Sarah H. [Ray] Smith (1830-1895)
Alanson Gilbert Ray (1834-1897)

Many thanks,

Philip in NYC

Added by pkarchs on Jun 19, 2016 4:00 PM

Barbara Hanno
Cyrus Brookins
Hi Janet, Thought you might be interested. I went to New Marlborough last week and looked at the old town birth and marriage records. I did find the record of Cyrus and Lois Brookins with the births of three children. There were no other Brookins mentioned and no Morgans. Would you like me to send the photo of the entry for Cyrus and Lois? I can't use your aol email, though, because I have no connection to it and don't know how to make one. Otherwise I can post it on his Findagrave profile.

Added by Barbara Hanno on Jun 19, 2016 8:29 AM

RE: Jane Frances Stanton
According to the Bement Township Cemetery Records she was born Sep. 4, 1816 in Sharon, Ct. and died on Jan. 9, 1892. She is buried with her husband, his other wife (Mary Beach Stanton, her sister) and one of the children, James in plot SW-64.

Added by KNC on Jun 15, 2016 5:49 PM

Michael Noyes
RE: John & Marh McCollam

I am no longer a member of As a result, I cannot give you a link to the documentation of John's birth country.

Added by Michael Noyes on Jun 12, 2016 7:32 AM

Maggie O
Simon Clark
please send a documented resource to add the parents of Simon Clark. happy to add them to the bio if you don't have one

thank you :)


Added by Maggie O on Jun 11, 2016 5:48 PM

D. Larocque
Sunderland, VT
If you could send me the list of those residents from 1765 of Sunderland, that would be great! I am also working on my RAY family line, and I have found a bonafide connection to Sunderland there as well, possibly locating a lost Warren child previously unassociated with any Warrens that I know of- Sarah (Sally) Warren Ray (#98973429), second wife to my ancestor, Abel Ray.

Added by D. Larocque on Jun 07, 2016 10:10 PM

D. Larocque
Jabez Warren, Jr. and Mary Bissell
Jabez Warren's line to his son Jabez has been a mystery and frustration for me as well. I will edit my memorial to state that this is a possible connection via deduction based off of the Nutmegger.

I was hoping that DNA might draw us Warren descendants closer to an answer, but unfortunately more questions arise. My relation is through Jabez Warren Jr's son, Nathan Warren, who ALSO had a mistaken association lasting many years which has to be corrected.

If I find anything new, I will surely let you know! Thanks!!

Added by D. Larocque on Jun 07, 2016 9:26 PM

D. Larocque
Jabez Warren, Jr. and Mary Bissell
The Connecticut Nutmegger, Volume 29, addresses the search for the wife of Jabez Warren, Jr. Within the source, it explains the thought process behind naming Mary BISSELL, the daughter of Nathaniel BISSELL and Dorothy FITCH, as his wife. I would have never associated him with Mary Bissell unless there was some logical conclusion drawn from research done. I have already been through the fantasy connection of Richard Warren to Jabez Warren, so I understand how you might think it was fantasy. Thanks!

Added by D. Larocque on Jun 07, 2016 9:01 PM

Jay and Mary Beebe
Hi Janet; I am declining your edits on these because except for one had already done them after reviewing my notes, VT vitals and the pictures. Still working on one. Hope to meet up with you this summer too; they go by so quickly, but I always get to that area at least once a summer. This year want to do more in Pownal and Hoosick with the Potters too.

Added by CarolynA on Jun 06, 2016 5:49 PM

Jay Beebe
Many thanks, Janet. Glad you are "home". I think Jay (Jabish) is the son of Chauncey of Wells, but haven't made the connection. Grandson of Gideon in the Old Yard in Middle Granville, I believe.

Added by CarolynA on Jun 06, 2016 6:25 AM

Jay and Mary Beebe
Many thanks for the pictures of Jay and Polly's gravestones. Glad you are "home".

Added by CarolynA on Jun 06, 2016 6:16 AM

RE: Asenath
Thank you so much!. As it turns out gone-fishing-unless-you-email, whom I thought posted the photos, didn't actually post the photos with the death date of Sinai's stone (the base). He referenced me to the person whom you already got in touch with. I greatly appreciate all of your help. One last hurdle to overcome it seems. The pictures speak for themselves. Gone-fishing left some interesting comments on my message page about how it seemed to him that Lemuel's stone had been brought to the location from somewhere else in the cemetery, and mentioned that the cemetery had been badly vandalized. Now I will link my 5x g-grandfather Fitch Chipman to his mom's memorial. Thanks again. Adam

Added by Adam on Jun 04, 2016 5:51 AM

Marie Hayes
Sinai Chipman
I added my photo and sent a request to change the info. Her death date is 2 Jan 1841. She was 73 years 11 months. Her husband was Lemuel.

I was part of a project that recorded the West Avenue Cemetery in the summer of 2012.

Added by Marie Hayes on Jun 03, 2016 2:23 PM

Okay, I understand your stance now, I seem to have misunderstood a bit, sorry. I will contact the contributor and have him first post the image on the memorial and then request an edit of the death date and see what happens. I'll go from there. Thanks once again for your help and patience....(mainly with me, he thinks to himself!). Oh, and thank you for the William Fitch probate info. Adam

Added by Adam on Jun 03, 2016 5:29 AM

Both Lemuel and Asenath's memorials are for the same cemetery, West Avenue cemetery. Sorry about that, I was wrong in my last message when I said otherwise.

Added by Adam on Jun 02, 2016 10:56 AM

RE: Dotia (Gaylord) Hulett
Hi, Janet--

I sent you sources -- did they go astray? Sometimes the "make other suggestions" entry lags a bit behind the straight-out edit suggestions.

Added by Starfishin on Jun 02, 2016 10:21 AM

Asenath Chipman
For my own part I can give 3 references to Alethia Wheeler (B.1800) being the daughter of Lemuel Chipman and Asenath (Fitch) Chipman.
1. the book "Chipman's of America" by Alberto Lee Chipman 1904
2. the book "The Chipman Family: A Genealogy of Chipmans in America" by Bert L. Chipman (likely the same author as above) 1920.
3. a genealogical periodical put out by the Tinmouth Historical and Genealogical Society "The Tinmouth Channel" Fall 2003 Vol.5 No.1

according to all these sources Lemuel and Asenath had a daughter also named Asenath Fitch Chipman who was born on 9-1-1796 (the death year given for Asenath the elder on this memorial).
Furthermore, I believe that the cemetery is a different one than the one that was referenced for the second memorial (she is buried in the same cemetery as Lemuel). That may be some of the issue as well.
The evidence for her death is best demonstrated by the picture of her headstone that was posted on the memorial that has now been deleted. The man who posted Lemuel's headstone photo, was the one who posted Asenath's headstone photos as well. (I saved it on a flash drive). I am wondering if we should have him re-post his photos on the existing memorial page as evidence of her death date? Although the cemetery is not the same?
I read the bio of the person who maintains the original memorial site and she explicitly states "This is not a genealogical site". That has me a little concerned. I agree this is first and foremost an interment site, but if genealogy had no place, then why is there the ability to make family links to other memorials?. But really the issue at hand is not about genealogy and is directly related to the actual death date and interment site of said individual. Perhaps a second memorial was created out of frustration? I certainly agree that until the date of death is changed, there is no sense in linking her to children born after that date. But if in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (actual death date on headstone, or individual found in a different cemetery), someone may be unwilling to edit the info, then what? I appreciate your communication on this matter and I certainly agree with the steps you are taking. I hope this message doesn't sound argumentative or aggressive. If it does it certainly wasn't meant to be, and most especially not directed at yourself. Feel free to delete this message if you would like after you read it if you feel it has anything negative in its content. I only seek to have the memorials of our ancestors accurately represented and to have as much useful information, provided by links, available. Thank you for your work, time and understanding. Adam

Added by Adam on Jun 02, 2016 10:21 AM

Morris Sherman
Thanks for their headstone photo.

Added by mommycita on Jun 01, 2016 10:54 PM

RE: Israel Brewster and his son Israel Jr
You're welcome and thank you.

Added by Tonna on May 31, 2016 10:32 AM

I am glad you didn't feel as if I was passing the buck. I felt myself as if I may have been doing so. I try to be self analytical about my interactions with people. Lemuel and Asenath are my 6x great-grandparents. I would be interested in William Fitch's probate records as well. Thank you for your work, time and consideration. Adam

Added by Adam on May 31, 2016 5:56 AM


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