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Tangent (#47280236)
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Lisa G
Anthony Paul Kirkland
Inforation obtained from MMP Cemetery burial records.

Added by Lisa G on Jul 03, 2015 3:30 AM

Leon
RE: Sarah Bethune
You are very welcome. There already was a headstone photo, but you wanted a photo of the surrounding area as I recall. Glad you liked it. Leon

Added by Leon on Jul 02, 2015 5:55 PM

MN
Gusta Johnson
Yes we are good

Added by MN on Jul 02, 2015 4:41 PM

MN
Gusta Johnson
The edits I requested were made, one for maiden name and one for places of death and birth. That is what the SAC was for, to verify what I had ask for in the edits. I guess I should have and I usually do explain the purpose of the SAC.

Added by MN on Jul 01, 2015 5:57 AM

MN
Gusta Johnson
The only thing I wanted you to do was add the maiden name. The SAC was just to prove the maiden name. Had nothing to do with you linking to the Father or anyone else. I did not ask you to link to anyone just add the maiden name and thank you for doing that. If I want a link made to anyone I use the edit tabs.

Added by MN on Jun 30, 2015 3:08 PM

MN
sac
The reason I send the SAC is because if I don't I usually get a request from the manager for proof. Most managers appreciate this . Sorry you don't. I have no idea which memorial you are referring to as you did not bother to give the name. So I suppose no matter what is ask you will just accept the edit. They are usually to prove name of parents or wife. Evidently most of them do not see it as additional work, you are the only one out of the many edits I have sent that Have complained when I send proof of parents.

Added by MN on Jun 30, 2015 2:56 PM

Brenda Black Watson
RE: Elisabeth Dunn #55566195
This is one of about 35,000 people I watch, all members of my family, and in abt 7 databases. My goal in life, after researching for years, is to connect all I can on findagrave. Thank you to Find A Grave!

Added by Brenda Black Watson on Jun 24, 2015 3:54 PM

Brenda Black Watson
RE: Elisabeth Dunn #55566195
Sources: Marriage & son's death data.

Alabama, Marriage Collection, 1800-1969
Birth, Marriage & Death
Name: Elizabeth Holly
Spouse: David Dunn
Marriage: date - Blount, Alabama
Alabama Marriages, 1809-1920 (Selected Counties)
Birth, Marriage & Death

Also:

Alabama Deaths 1908-1974
Name: M. V. Dunn
Event Date: 03 Jun 1933
Event Place: Blountsville, Blount, Alabama
Gender: Male
Race (Original): W
Race: White
Age (Original): 64y 6m 27d
Birth Date (Original): 07 Nov 1868
Birthplace: Blount Co., Ala.
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Lela Dunn
Father's Name: David Dunn
Father's Birthplace: Blount Co., Ala.
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Holly ****
Mother's Birthplace: Blountsville, Ala.
Occupation: Farmer
Residence Place: Blountsville
Burial Place: Graves Cem.
Burial Date: 04 Jun 1933

GS Film number: 1908509 , Reference ID: cn 10657

"Alabama Deaths, 1908-1974," Database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDP6-QS5 : accessed 21 June 2015), Elizabeth Holly in entry for M. V. Dunn, 03 Jun 1933; citing reference cn 10657, Department of Health, Montgomery; FHL microfilm 1,908,509.

Added by Brenda Black Watson on Jun 21, 2015 4:13 AM

dhintx
infant Clemons #128279715
Linda said she found an unreadable stone that could be Infant Clemons and posted it.

Added by dhintx on Jun 20, 2015 9:22 AM

dhintx
RE: Infant Clemons again
Here is the rather lengthy email I sent to Linda to help her locate the burial. I do find it strange that she couldn't locate the burial because she said she was the one who had taken the photo that I refer to as the "pillar tombstone with 3 names on it" that was probably on one side of the infant Clemons gravesite. If someone else claims the photo request, please feel free to pass this on to them in hopes it might help them find the spot. There is no numbered marker. The entry in McGinnis' book just has (no dates) (numbered marker only) and see below in my email to Linda where I reference that source. I decided to put through a photo request myself, since I'm already pretty well invested in this adventure. I put a fairly lengthy description of the possibly known facts about the tombstones that may be on either side. We'll see what this might get us. Let you know. --donna

***

"Took a bit of searching, but I finally found the record. I made my entries based on a book I purchased compiled by Robert McGinnis on Knox County cemeteries and there are over 60 pages for Edgewood.

I guess I didn't put the section, but according to the McGinnis book, the burial is in Section 1, but that's a fair-sized section. There aren't many photos for the half-a-dozen records that I created on either side of the infant. Unfortunately the child does not appear to be buried next to any other Clemons.

But someone found the 3 (probably) children that were listed on one side of the infant Clemons. It's a tall pillar-type marker, so maybe that will help get in the right area, perhaps. Allie Mae Nichols #97437426, Ruben Anderson #97437432 & Rosa Anderson #97437444.

If you look at that photo, it also shows a couple of markers in other rows, so maybe that will help also.

I was trying to see when McGinnis did Edgewood and I guess he started back in 1985 and then did some photographing and updates in 2008. His book was published in 2010.

I also see this note "Those listings which contain the notation of (numbered marker only) comes from a list of persons buried in Gallaher's View Cemetery kept by Edward Walker until his death in 1955." Guess the cemetery was named after the adjoining church and then some time in the 1900s changed to Edgewood.

So there may not be an actual marker. But I suppose if the Nichols/Anderson marker can be found and there is nothing on one side and a small flat marker for Bitha Day #77648598 on the other side, then the blank space might be where the infant Clemons would be. Bitha won't be as easy to spot from a distance because it's a small flat marker.

And of course, I have no idea if these burials are in a nice straight row! I did a cemetery in Dearborn County, Indiana and they liked to do round sections! Usually a big family marker in the center and then other family members in circles around the big marker. That was hard to follow and even worse if someone asks me who is buried next to someone because I didn't always click a ground spot when I switched rows as I was photographing. I tried to remember to do this, but some of those circles were large sections and of course 5 years have gone by and I don't remember whether I started on the north, south, east, or west side of the circle when I began photographing. Hey! I know the section, go hunting!

Ah, the joys of photographing a cemetery.

I will list the records as they are in the book, of course I don't know if they are in the same row, or not. McGinnis doesn't give row numbers.

Carolyn & Charles Courtney - may be a fairly new marker because they are both born in the 1940s and no death date inscribed, so I didn't add them since they probably are deceased.

Belle Nichols - 1897-1993
Ada & Arthur McDaniel
Sarah Houk
Willa Bell Houk
Joseph Morley
David Morley
Emily Morley
twin daughters of J H & C A Haun
infant Clemons
Allie Mae Nichols/Ruben Anderson/Rosa Anderson ***marker***
Louis Luttrell
Nannie & William McDaniel
John McDaniel #29039995 ***marker***
(oooh! another one with a photo of the marker)

I certainly hope this helps you find the area for the infant Clemons. And you might just snap tombstones as you walk trying to find them since there appears to be a lot of burials and few photographs of stones in that area. We can just cross our fingers and hope there are some stones and you don't find yourself in a section like the IOOF at South Park and just a nice grassy area.

Happy Hunting, and let me know if you need more info, I'll try to comply."

Added by dhintx on Jun 11, 2015 4:13 PM

dhintx
infant Clemons
please contact me directly - I thought I gave pretty good instructions to the person trying to fulfill the photo request - I referenced a tombstone that should have been right next to it - I'll send you all the info I gave. What I suspect is that there is no tombstone now.

dchintx@gmail.com

or am I confused about who asked me what?

Added by dhintx on Jun 07, 2015 10:21 PM

Linda Reed
RE: Infant Clemons 128279715
I thought since you requested a photo you might have some information.

Added by Linda Reed on May 30, 2015 10:34 AM

Linda Reed
Infant Clemons 128279715
You had requested a photo of the burial. Could you give me some information? Who was the parents and do you have any idea as to the dates of birth or death. I will be glad to look for you the next time I go to the cemetery, but with so little information, I am afraid I will not be able to find it. Linda

Added by Linda Reed on May 29, 2015 7:36 PM

Popeye
Rude or what??
Hey tangent, why must you act as if you are the Findagrave Police?? Sure, rules are rules made by those that don't have a lot of common sense. Therefore, RULES are made to be broken on occasion. Please be a bit more courteous in your verbal assaults of folks just trying to be themselves. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans if someone breaks the rules of F.A.G. as long as it accomplishes the goal they seek and doesn't belittle anyone else. Lighten up a bit and enjoy what we have here in Findagrave. Life is too short to worry about the insignificant details and rules that don't really matter,one way or the other.

That said, keep up the good work you are doing in F.A.G. and learn to "chill out" on occasion.
Have a wonderful day.

Added by Popeye on May 22, 2015 3:58 PM

Johnny
Nelson Ott
Hello, Thank you for the additional information. I am adding it. Thanks you.

Johnny

Added by Johnny on May 18, 2015 4:08 PM

Popeye
Evergreen & Rose Hill info Macon,Ga
Hey again, Tangent,this email address may help:

rosehill2see@yahoo.com Ms Mitchell does respond, eventually, to plot location requests, so be patient.

Have a good day,
Dennis

Added by Popeye on Apr 15, 2015 6:17 AM

Popeye
Photo requests plot info.
For all those in Evergreen that you have requested photos of, please take your own advice for others and call Ms. Mitchell at Rose Hill cemetery for plot location. She is the records keeper for Rose Hill as well as Evergreen. Sure helps a lot.

Have a good day,,

Added by Popeye on Apr 06, 2015 3:46 PM

purple-lady
* My Sister's Birthday *
Stopping by to say thanks for the lovely remembrance for my Sister Dorothy, on her Birthday Sunday, March 29th. It deeply touched my heart & means the world to me that you wished her a heavenly day.

Warm wishes for a great day & upcoming Easter.
Ruth McDonald
St.Louis, MO

Added by purple-lady on Mar 31, 2015 4:41 PM

Barbara Howard Pointer
Milly Howard Goupel FG # 60225316
Thank you for leaving a tribute on my sister's
memorial.

Added by Barbara Howard Pointer on Mar 30, 2015 4:15 PM

Nadine Sones
RE: Josephine Haas and Infant Haas - retry
I do not know at this point, I will check with my mother and see if she knows.

Added by Nadine Sones on Mar 24, 2015 6:26 AM

CoastGuardMedic
Greetings!
Yo, you still alive and kicking? I certainly hope so. Just wanted to say hello.

Added by CoastGuardMedic on Mar 16, 2015 9:33 PM

Karen M. Freeman
LATIN EPITAPH - HIRAM PHINAZEE MONUMENT
I finally heard from Reverend Morgan this afternoon with the lettering and translation of the Latin Epitaph on the beautiful Monument of Reverend Hiram Phinazee at Greenwood Cemetery in Forsyth, GA.

He received the lettering (which is not EXACTLY as it is on the monument...but it is the correct spelling of the Latin words)from his friend who is a Professor of Latin at Oxford University in England...his name I do not know.

Here it is:

DIGNIUS IN VITA
DIGNIOR
IN MORTE

Translation:

WORTHY (or DIGNIFIED) IN LIFE
MORE WORTHY (or DIGNIFIED or WORTHIER)
IN DEATH

I don't believe the 'I' is on the monument in the word DIGNIUS and I believe there may be an 'M' at the end of MORTE.

I have submitted this information to Larry Cannon who created Hiram's F-A-G Memorial Page. I've asked him to consider adding it to the page.

You are welcome to add it as a note or caption to the close up photo you posted of the wording. May I 'save' your photo and upload it to Hiram's profile page on my Ancestry.com tree...crediting you, of course, with taking & providing the photo?

I can't make out the wording on one of the other sides. I think someone needs to take more photos or do a gravestone rubbing. HELP?!

Karen M. Freeman
Cherry Log, GA
15 Jan 2015

Added by Karen M. Freeman on Jan 15, 2015 4:08 PM

Karen M. Freeman
Headstone of Rev. Hiram Phinazee
Hi 'Tangent',

I have not heard back from the Latin professor in England yet...disappointed...but still hopeful.

Do you leave anywhere near the Greenwood Cemetery? If so, would you be willing to re-visit Rev. Phinazee's gravesite and try to do a gravestone rubbing of the lettering? I have also used inexpensive shaving cream to fill-in the letters and gently rubbed it off so the shaving cream stays in the lettering until I wash it off with clean water. It usually really makes the letters "pop", but it is important to take a jug of water & paper towels to clean it with afterwards.

If you do re-visit the cemetery, would you be so kind as to photograph the back sides of other Phinazee headstones to capture any quotes, phrases or lettering that may be there? They are beautiful headstones, aren't they?! It's too bad Rev. Phinazee's is broken; but good that the top part is still there. Maybe my husband's family will be willing to get it fixed...I'll talk to him about it. Rev. Phinazee is the 3x great grandfather of my husband James 'Jim' Miller Freeman, son of Barbara Mae Phinzaee Freeman of Jackson, GA.

Thank you for any additional research on this stone you can do.

Karen M. Freeman
Cherry Log, GA
07 Jan 2015

Added by Karen M. Freeman on Jan 07, 2015 2:52 PM

Karen M. Freeman
Rev. Hiram Phinazee Epitaph
Hi Tangent,

I received the translation this evening from "the friend-of-a-friend" who just happens to teach Latin at Oxford University in England! However, I'm waiting for this professor to email back the actual lettering on the headstone that we can not definitively make out and also to give me the source of the phrase or quote...if there is one.

It may be that Hiram just put these words together because I sure haven't been able to Google the phrase...just a few of the words that I could make out. Isn't it amazing that with his limited education (with exception of Theology/Religion) and resources, that he (or someone in his family) was able to come up with a phrase in Latin to inscribe on his headstone?!!!

As soon as I have ALL the information, I will let you and the Memorial page creator know and the two of you can post it to Hiram's Memorial page and you can add it to the photo you so graciously took and posted of the Latin phrase. It would be wonderful if you would add the total transcription to each of the photos you've taken & posted, because overtime, the headstones may become illegible and you will have 'captured' the wording before that time. I like to think of this as a 'window of opportunity' for those of us who care & are interested to provide all the info. we can on Find-a-Grave and Ancestry.com.

Thank you for posting your photos, it was a joy to come across them! Hiram is the 3x great-grandfather of my husband, James Miller Freeman. His mother's maiden name is Barbara Mae Phinazee (1929-present)(m. Thomas Miller Freeman), d/o James Harrison Phinazee, gd/o Wm. Harris Phinazee, ggd/o James Glenn Phinazee & gggd/o Hiram Phinazee. Hiram's father was John Phinazee (1760-1837), Revolutionary War Soldier. Jim plans to make application to the SAR this month naming John Phinazee as his SAR "Patriot".

I will be in touch...hopefully tomorrow!

Good night,
Karen M. Freeman
Cherry Log, GA
05 Jan 2015

Added by Karen M. Freeman on Jan 05, 2015 6:33 PM

Karen M. Freeman
Rev Hiram Phinazee - Headstone
Good Sunday Morning 'Tangent',

RE: F-a-G # 25656425, Rev. Hiram Phinazee, Greenwood Cemetery, Forsyth, Monroe, GA

Thank you for the wonderful photos you took and posted of the headstone of the Reverend Hiram Phinazee, etal. The back of his headstone has several words in Latin. Some of the lettering I can not make out. If I try to enlarge the photo, the letters just become blurred.

Here is the lettering I 'think' I've been able to make out:
DIGNUS MY OR MV VITA
DIGNIOR OR DIGNIOS
I can't make out any letters in the 3rd line.

You indicated you had asked a friend to help you transcribe the stone back in March, 2011. I'm guessing you've had no luck since a transcription has not been posted.

I worked for a long time trying to transcribe it yesterday, using the internet; but did not have a great deal of luck.

I did find that DIGNUS means "worthy, worthy of, meritorious" and VITA means "life, way of life". I think DIGNOIR is a variation of DIGNUS.

If you can provide the additional lettering for me from your original photo, I will contact someone tomorrow whom I believe knows Latin to see if he can help translate this. Please correct any of the lettering I have above.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Gratefully,
Karen M. Freeman
Cherry Log, GA
04 Jan 2015

Added by Karen M. Freeman on Jan 04, 2015 9:36 AM

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