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Jan Burke-Maris (#48015812)
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Bio Photo I am an adoptee whose journey to locate my biological family led me to Penn Yan, New York. With the assistance of fellow Find a Grave volunteers, I successfully uncovered my roots! Now I am dedicated to helping others fulfill their quests for the truth while continuing to search for my own. I pledge to do all I can to help others while treating everyone (both the living and those who have passed before us) with dignity and respect. If I can help you in any way, please do not hesitate to ask.
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Noel Rose
RE: Garrison Forrest
Hi Jan,
The federal Bureau of Veteran Affairs has a nationwide burial locator site which gives the exact location, name and dates for any buried vet. I just typed in my name, and a same name Navy guy was buried in Texas.

The woman at GF is friendly and helpful, and she will pull out the large burial maps out of the closet when necessary. Two problems I found is that the section posts are not always the starting point for counting rows and graves; also, a number of sections are "broken," and missing rows give a false count when out in the field.

P.s. The "hand holding" was for Druid Ridge.

Noel
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 30, 2014 9:43 AM
Noel Rose
RE: Garrison Forrest
Hi Jan,
It is 10 pm Sunday night, and I just read your message. In the past, when I've been at GF on Sunday, A truck would circle around every hour. I assumed that they were looking to help visitors find a burial site. I'd be more paranoid now. At APG, my job depended on keeping my security clearance, so, I'm use to avoiding "problems."

At Druid Ridge, I went there last Spring with a willingness to help. I soon realized that they were at best indifferent to FAGers. They are owned by a profit making major corporation. I assume that the councilors are hired on commission and evaluated on their ability to sell pre-need funerals, fancy headstones, and $1,000,000 mausoleums (plus freight from the quarry.) Being an old cemetery, their records are probably in bound books, index cards, and only recently on computers. When I went to the office for directions, they often couldn't find a request, were not able to say if someone was buried unmarked at a family plot, and their printouts too small to read. The sections might have one trash basket with a name on it; the roads are unmarked, etc. The last time I told them that they did not even know who was buried there. I had to find the family monument on my own. They said that they needed full name, and birth and death dates. If a relative showed up, they claimed that they would take them by the hand to the family monument. Perhaps, you have more charm.

Noel
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 28, 2014 9:48 PM
Noel Rose
RE: Garrison Forest
Hi Jan,

I received a call from Rep. Sarbanes' Towson Office rep. While as expected, he said that this is a Maryland matter, he would send my info and concerns with a letter from Rep. Sarbanes to the top veteran office in MD.

I also received an e-mail from a lawyer in John Cardin's Annapolis' office. He will get back to me next week, after he looks into the matter.

I picked Cardin & Sarbanes since Garrison Forest is THEIR turf; but feel free to add your voice to other elected officials. Though, perhaps you could just go to the Garrison Office and in a non-threatening manner ask Superintendent Kenneth McKisset for clarification. Right now, he thinks that he has won, and we don't know why. His confrontation was with me. (Just leave your camera in your car!)

Noel
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 26, 2014 6:04 PM
Noel Rose
RE: Garrison Forest
Hi Jan,
I've just sent follow up messages Jon Cardin, and John Sarbanes. For now, I'd rather go over the heads of bureaucrats than confront them. Having worked at Aberdeen Proving Ground for almost 20 years; I've seen how they "bow and scrape" to politicians. I certainly hope that this issue can be resolved before Election Day & Veterans Day.

Arlington National Cemetery has dozens of active claims, so I doubt that this is valid nationwide policy change.

Keep up the anger.

Noel
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 25, 2014 6:20 PM
Noel Rose
RE: Garrison Forest
Hi Jan,

I'm afraid that there is some law thanks to hippie protests of the Vietnam War, or the stupid Westboro Baptist Church that allows the cemetery bureaucrats to "control" their turf. Back in August, a maintenance man stopped me saying that I was breaking federal law taking pictures due to concerns about identity theft, and invasion of privacy. I went to the woman in the office, and she didn't know, and her boss was gone for the day.

The next day I called Christopher Piscitelli the Director of all five MD Vet cemeteries. I thought we had an understanding that photographing was fine, and that he would pass the word down. He claimed that he was concerned about film crews just setting up their equipment, but had nothing to do with us. We stay away from the funerals, and often, I was the only non-employee at the cemetery.

Instead, the help were told to be on the lookout for photographers. It was just after their lunch, and I could hear a maintenance man off in the distance making a cellphone call. Feeling uneasy, I went to another part of the cemetery, and soon the Superintendent Kenneth McKisset was chauffeured in a golf cart and told me that I could not take pictures without written permission. He claimed that even relatives could not necessarily be allowed to take pictures of their family headstones. He would not give me straight answers, so I just left the cemetery.

I filled out an e-mail form to Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown (since he is big on being a vet). I also wrote with exhibits to Jon Cardin my MD Delegate whose District includes Garrison Forest; and John Sarbanes my Fed Rep. I have heard nothing in almost two weeks. The Fed Bureau of Veterans Affairs provides the headstones, and pays MD about $700 for each vet burial in the state owned land. The Bureau also has a fine grave locator website with the same info as on the headstones. So, there is no logical concern about identity theft, or invasion of privacy. I'm hoping that "constituent service," and upcoming Election Day, and Veterans Day will resolve this issue.

Noel J. Rose
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 23, 2014 9:52 PM
JET
RE: ?
Both had me confused from this end.
Jim
Added by JET on Sep 23, 2014 7:33 PM
Noel Rose
Garrison Forest
Hi Jan,
I trust you saw the "problem" for Andrew Gallic. The Superintendent drove up and stopped me from taking headstone pictures. I've written to several elected officials, so far, without a reply

Noel J. Rose
Added by Noel Rose on Sep 23, 2014 5:06 PM
JET
?
You could not find Gertrude G."Gertie" Buell?
Jim Thompson
Added by JET on Sep 23, 2014 12:56 PM
JET
?
You could not find Regina Mae Thompson?
Jim Thompson
Added by JET on Sep 23, 2014 12:54 PM
Bonnie
Hannah Selby
Hi Jan,

Thanks so much for doing this for us, our family certainly will treasure these pictures. I grew uo in Pa but now I live in Ca and hardly ever get back there, although I love that area

I take it that the picture of the 5 graves at the parents and their children?

Thanks again Jan
Added by Bonnie on Sep 08, 2014 11:50 AM
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