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|G. Abbott||RE: Garrison Cemetery|
"Yes," I must have hit "back." Sorry about that.
I don't know how willing anyone is going to be about info I send. I am working on a lot of these people from the bottom-up, and from your info, and other sources, top-down. Feel free to read/research it on you own.
It is a very unusual circumstance: that I have a friend from childhood, that lived down the street from my St. Cyr, first cousin. She has never met, my other friend from high school.
All born in Houston, TX. Two of us, still there.
I have linked them both as descendants of the grandfather of Gov. Alexandre Mouton, of Louisiana. SO, I am getting very familiar with Il Copal Plantation and residents in the parishes of Louisiana. And including Native-American lines in the U.S. that filter into these groups, i.e. Pocahantaas, Chief Taboca...
Then we, all three, meet again at Jean Teriau [Theriot] 1601.
I am using some of the same material that researchers at Garrison are using. Acadians in Gray, another site in Canada, and Louisiana Marriages, F-A-G, state historical material, Luminarium, British, French, Spanish royal material from the national country's historic sites, etc.
One of my friends is trying to solve the Castille/Costales mystery, working on the royal lines, etc., as am I. This is Landry/Rousseau/Brossard, Theriot, Bourg, Castille, lines.
With just a few surnames from my two friends, and I had one Theriot, and one Mouton in my database, it took 30 minutes, using a Louisiana historical site, and F-A-G, and my notes...to link them.
I have also done a lot of reading regarding the Grand Estrangement, Battle of Kings Mountain, some bit of info on Brandywine, Magistrates, Presidents, Boone family, Davy Crockett, Lewis and Clark Expedition members, etc.
I know I am no authority, but getting through the material okay.
So, I will see a lot of things/ties to families, that most people won't.
The Gilpins that are at Garrison, are the same ones that go to my Miller/Gilpin line of Laura Gilpin, a noted southwestern photographer b. 1896. (see CHarles White School; Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, artist Georgia O'Keefe.) The U.S. group is in PA/MD/MA...going through MO/CO to the first Gov. of Colorado.
I am working on this because, two of my grandfather's cousins referred to Laura Gilpin as their cousin. The Halibruton and Miller, etc., are the same as the ones in Nova Scotia. MIller often seen as Mueller, or a version of it.
I recently got some family tree charts and notes for the Gilpins, from The Amon Carter Museum in Ft. Worth, TX, Notes, donated by Laura Gilpin. Her brother worked in Texas ans New Mexico for Boeing.
On top of all of this, my husband, from Iowa is the descendant of the same McPhersons of B of Kings Mountain, and the battle was fought on his land, and Gideon Gilpin's. Big memorial sites for these people. they go into, very quickly, or descend from: Baroness, Catherine Dangerfield (Willis) Murat, Meriwether Lewis, George Rogers Clark immediate families. They marry into President(s) George Washington, James Madison, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor, etc., Daniel Boone; Daniel Morgan, Joist Hite, Lord Fairfax, were the land agents that parcelled off the lower Shenandoah Valley of VA, and WV. The Shepherds founders of Shepherdstown,VA... The Willises, founder of Lumberton, NC, coming down to Louisiana and to Texas to my more present day family. Frontiersmen, Daniel Boone, Needham Bryant, Col. Simon Miller, British Shipbuilder, Warner-Washington....all tie to my Texas lines, as well. At the Alamo, and at the Battle of San Jacinto (world history.)
For the different spellings of all of these French/Spanish/British/Acadian, there is a site online that was very helpful to me. I already understood the dit reference as to location, but many of these have that, and added to the same person, a regal title (or two), and parish title.
And depending on whether the parish priest was Sp., Fr., Br., may have altered it to suit, who knows. I do know that the parishes were divided to the members of the original Surname, and then the children were given land to settle in another parish, the spelling of the name was changed to keep track. As per the King's order to settle, and procreate, but keep track with the variance of the name, as well.It was by law the marriages and births were recorded.
So, I include, with [brackets] all of the dits that refer to one person, along with a bracketed double,/middle name, just in case someone elsewhere refers to them as such and the dates and spouse, of children match. The Terreau, Comeau, etc. in Canada, end up as Theriot/Comeaux,or Terriot/Como, per example in Louisiana, Mississippi, and [Florida and Alabama,] etc., that were formerly, [New Spain.]
The Castille, and Theriot, line to Louisiana, my friend and I, are trying to track, and cross-reference with many sources with multiple dit references.
Jehan/Jean Terriau [Therriot] [Theriot] and Perine Bourg, Helene Comté, and many of these are all royals, mostly French roayls, but in the case of Jean Terriau, for example: he is listed as "Armorial Gen. of the French Army, his father is listed as King Felipe II/Philip II of Spain/France. It is very dificult to navigate through all of the royals, since some are legitimate, then made illegitimate, or carry dit versions of their French royal title and that of a British, Neterlander, Austrian-Hungarian, Spanish, when they or their parent married another royal or titled family member, cousin,or to remove power from them.
Ten years ago, a lady who had my St. Cyr line, could not accept that her Briggs marriage to a St. Cyr in her info was an indicator to them being in my line. She also said the dit name for my St. Cyrs was Roubillard/Roulliard. She wasn't interested in why.
I knew the Briggs were also the same Bridges of Brit. and Scot. That my direct ancestor, William Robert Briggs was the name of the first in America who used the Bridges name in Scotland, due to British conflict, him being a Scot, when he came to America, his father, changed it back to Briggs, which the means, bridges (per over water.)
Popes Creek at Mt. Vernon, home of Lawrence Washington, half-brother to Pres. George Washington, and located next door to Lord John Fairfax (who was also a land agent and bought McPherson property to sell off)in Frederick Co., VA...Popes Creek, was formerly, Bridges Creek.
George Washington, as a general threw a hatchet to the head of the half-brother of Louis Coulon Devillier [de Villers] who was a commander of the French militia, as well. The half-brother was Ensign, Joseph Coulon de Jumonville. They are referred to as Prince allies. This shows a royal title. This same Louis Coulon Deviller's family line ends up in Louisiana, and is marrying into some of my lines: Bourgeois, Landry, Theriot, Broussard, Bernard, on and on. The death of the half-brother, Joseph Coulon de Jumonville, is credited with a contributing factor for the earlier, start of the French and Indian War.
I also descend from the father of Pres. George Washington, the aunt, and his half-brother, Lawrence Washington, on my mother's side, and then again on my father's side. Many ties to Brig, Gen, (Gov.) John Sevier, of TN, and his children who married into Joist Hite, Brig. Gen. John Willis, Brig. Gen. Kennedy, who I think it is, that received the sword of surrender from the Brit in charge, which would be, I think, Patrick Ferguson, commander of the Loyalists, and only Brit. killed at B. of King's Mountain. Some of his children were Patriots, and marry into the McPhersons, as well.
They lady that didn't believe her Briggs/St. Cyr was anything...wrote me back 2 years later, to thank me and "yes," they were the same.
I am just putting this out there, to you, that I have a pretty good understanding of many of these groups tie, in a way, that most people won't. Simply because, I have been trying to find my ancestor, Benjamin Franklin Abbott, b. 1812, NC m. Caroline Pickett Willis for 35 years. My father's first-cousin, John Poindexter Landers, considered a major authority of the Poindexter family of America, did the research, and only mentioned Alexander Abbott of NY was Ben's father. I know my grandfather, said Ben was Acadian descent, prior, his family was from Scotland.
John P. Landers was a Rhodes Scholar, and curator of two historical museums in TX, a collector of French Antiques, was on the Antiques Roadshow.
So, although I may sound like I don't understand some of these lines, the smarter people in my family have helped greatly... I am being humorous, here.
So, Cyr to St. Cyr. Cyr closer in to the Bourbon lines is referred to with the meaning of Sire, written with an intitial-cap. I think that is a pretty good marker for a regal title. My grandfather, was named Louis Gouvion St. Cyr, same title as the Marquis, I have notes on this, not looking right now. Also the école in Paris for the French Foreign Legion, (St. Cyr). The Sanseur, and variations, I beleive are the same as Cyr/St. Cyr.
You get my geste, I have read and read, and read, looking for a clue to Ben's parents.
Also worth mentioning is, the Bonapartes, and mlitary reports to the Emperor, had plantations in New Orleans, Louisiana, and elsewhere in the southern U.S. I suppose. Napoleon's sister, married into the Murat line, I beleive it is (not looking at it;) his,brother, Jerome Bonaparte, married an American, but his Emperor/brother annulled it. She was pregnant at the time, and remarried, as did Jerome Bonaparte. Is it a coincidence that so many of my Teas collateral lines have people named, Jerome, or Napoleon Bonaparte ______? I am guessing that there is a reason. As per, hundreds in my groups are named George Washington _____, Meriwether Lewis ______ ...
|Lloyd||RE: Re: Parkland Lutheran Church|
Added by Lloyd on Sep 30, 2014 4:26 AM
|G. Abbott||Garrison Cemetery|
Just letting you know that I am working in short spurts on the Gilpin line, in the U.S.
Just at a quick glace, I can tell you that includes Haliburton, and I have three John Bernard Gilpins at this point, and other middle names at Garrison, will link to the ones in Colorado, Pennsylvania, Virginia/West VIrginia, Missouri, and others. I am certain of it.
I received a packet of PDFs from the Amon Carter Museum in Ft. Worth, Texas. This is donated material from Laura Gilpin, southwestern photographer. She knew Georgia O'Keefe, Edward Weston, Ansel Adams. The files are of her family tree— a big fan chart and tons of notes.
Somehow, she is a cousin to my grandfather, in Texas. I think it is through the Miller line, but it will take me quite a while to sort it out.
Two of my father's first cousins said they knew her as a cousin. Gideon Gilpin, is related, and working on that data entry, as well. The land owned by Gideon Gilpin was part of where The Battle of Kings Mountain took place. Also on land of my husband's McPhersons who married into the Ferguson family. I am trying to get it clarified, but the only Brit, the commander of the loyalists, was Patrick Ferguson, inventor of the Ferguson Repeating Rifle. Some of his children were American Patriots, as opposing sides are common in families. I think his daughter, Nancy is going into my husband's line.
There is so much that I am finding, that it is overwhelming...I descend from the parents, the half-brother, and the aunt of Pres. George Washington. On that same note...George Washington took a hatchet to the head of Louis Coulon Devillier (or his brother. I am not quite getting the total grip on this, but they were referred to as sharing a title of Prince of France? Anyway, that same Devillier line is coming down to my great-great-grandmother of Louisiana and another of Texas. Through Bourgeois/Trahan/Clark,etc.
I am also trying to get it all together with Jean Terreau [Theriot,] Armorial General to the French Army, on his legitimacy of birth as the son of Felipe II [King of Spain]/Philip II [King of France] (same King). They go into the Bourbon lines....and to my families in TX and LA.These tie to my friend from high school, as well.
There is a site online that is great for explanation of spelling of names for these French/Acadian/Cajun people. These Cyr that appear, I am seeing them go to my St. Cyrs, which I know is a dit for Roulliard/Roubillard line of descent. Years ago, a lady online sort of blew off the names changing. But I now realize, the are royal dits, territorial, etc.
I know some of the dits are for families of a certain parish; and depend sometimes on what nationality/country in control of the area at the time was, and how the priest recorded it. However, many of these at Garrison, et. al, are royal titles, high-ranking military, which usually means royal, i.e. Lord, Knight, Baron, Duke, etc.; and some titles were multiple due to French/Spanish/Austrian/British/Scottish, Netherlands, in a title merge with their parent, uncle, aunt, etc.
The naming trend for a British child, whether proven at one time, legitimate, can change in the power struggle, and they end up being a Fitz.
A Simmons for example, with a debate on legitimacy, but not wanting to tarnish the relationship, would take the name of Fitz-Simmons, or Fitzsimmons. Just in case anyone wants this info.
Like Cyr (meaning Sire) going back in my St. Cyr line. Whether Sire is son, or son w/royal title seems very likely. My French is not so good, but I can understand a lot of what I am reading.
|Lloyd||RE: Re: Parkland Lutheran Church|
Hi. I am new to this game and I don't know what a SAC is. The street address is 18443 Hiway 26 near Camrose NW 32-46-12 W4 GPS: N 53.01067 W 112.34845
Yes it is in the Lloydminster census division.
I live only 4 miles from there. In 1963 the Municipal District of Camrose was changed to County status. As far as I know Beaver county never extended there.
I hope that I am not coming across as a know it all. I appreciate the work that you have been doing. I didn't realize the work involved until I started looking for a relatives grave. I couldn't find it so I decided to try and help others by joining Find A Grave.
Added by Lloyd on Sep 28, 2014 8:46 PM
|Dale Safford||RE: transfer of memorials|
Thank YOU too for what you do. I am so happy to pass these memorials on to someone who can work with them. :-)
Great idea! Thanks again for doing all that you are doing!
|Lloyd||Re: Parkland Lutheran Church|
I don't know if you manage this site or not but the cemetery is located in the County of Camrose not County of Beaver.
Also I noticed that you have a photo request for a grave in Wilke, Sk. I travel through there quite often so will try to take a picture for you.
Added by Lloyd on Sep 28, 2014 7:16 PM
|Dale Safford||RE: transfer of memorials|
I have been at it for several hours and am only up to C. I am going to contact FindAGrave to see if they can speedily transfer the remaining ones. They have done this before for me - I just can't quite remember the procedure. And I greatly apologize for all the emails that you must have received for each of the transfers!
You were busy! I'll be sure to take good care of them. Thanks!
|Dale Safford||Margaret Woolford #61945418|
You will have to check into this one further. I have added this note to the Bio, but I had her name as Margaret Erskine Woolford, so the mention of the name Fullerton is a confusing fact. She died before her Woolford husband.
Royal Gazette, Fredericton, NB, 6 February 1833:
Died on Wednesday morning last, the 30th ult., Mrs. Margaret Fullerton, wife of J. E. Woolford, Esquire, Barrack Master of this place, deeply and deservedly regretted.
|Dale Safford||RE: transfer of memorials|
Yes, I will make the transfers, and I do NOT want the memorials back. Bless you for caring for them!
Hi - thank you for doing all that you are doing.
If you would like to transfer the records-I can update & either transfer back to you or continue to care for them & transfer to family when I get a request.
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