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Derek Thurber (#47044921)
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sr/ks
RE: Red Beattie
Yep, I see exactly what you mean. Assuming that's the hockey player, there's a difference in birthdates for sure.

My bet is this - some egghead thought they'd be smart and get his dates of birth and death from the Social Security Death Index, which lists most deceased Americans, and when they did this, they got the Rev's info, and that data got copied all over. There's a SSDI here.

As to your question about why put someone on here if no interment place is known... you're right that first and foremost FindAGrave is to do just that, list the resting place, but there's a lot of people folks want memorialized for whom a place of rest isn't known, and that is acceptable and common. I have my dad's family on here back to when they arrived from overseas in the 1700's. I don't know where all are buried, but do want them to be remembered. I'm far from alone in making memorials with no known place of interment. Even on many "famous" people on the site no interment place is listed, and there's a request from FindAgrave mgt to write to them if the info is known or found.

I did write to the guy who made Red's memorial via the "Suggest a Correction" tab when I sent him the Rev's info. I haven't heard back, oh well. I did write to a couple of hockey sites with Red's data and asked where they got the info and have heard nothing there as well. C'est la vie. It's been fun and funny. We seem to have worked this one to death, no? Have a good one.
Added by sr/ks on Apr 15, 2010 1:11 PM
sr/ks
RE: Red Beattie
Ignore and delete the note below. It dupes this one and I messed up making a link for you there, fixed it here.

What you say makes sense. I don't know what to make of it. It would be a million to one that two guys with the same name would have the same birth and death data... unless the memorial's maker erroneously copped the Rev's info somewhere and put it on the site. I don't know the guy/gal who did the memorial but s/he's done thousands, hopefully s/he's careful, probably so.

I did some more sniffing around. The guy listed as the Rev's father died in 1944, and at that time his son John was at Aberdeen. The Rev's dad's obit is here. The family on the surface from here looks all American which sure doesn't jive with growing up in Canada. I went so far as to pull the dad's official church bio, and it is indeed all American, born and died in the US, served in PA and MD all his life it looks, buried in MD.

On the other hand, if I'd been a preacher, I sure wouldn't want hockey fans to know it. It'd be funny if he really had been an American preacher who re-invented himself as a Canadian hockey pro, but quite a stretch.

The obit link will tell you who the Rev's parents were- maybe you have bio data giving Red's parents?
Added by sr/ks on Apr 13, 2010 9:03 PM
sr/ks
RE: Red Beattie
What you say makes sense. I don't know what to make of it. It would be a million to one that two guys with the same name would have the same birth and death data... unless the memorial's maker erroneously copped the Rev's info somewhere and put it on the site. I don't know the guy/gal who did the memorial but s/he's done thousands, hopefully s/he's careful, probably so.

I did some more sniffing around. The guy listed as the Rev's father died in 1944, and at that time his son John was at Aberdeen. The Rev's dad's obit is <a href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2202&dat=19440822&id=V9YlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=g_wFAAAAIBAJ&pg=7001,3212304>here</a>. The family on the surface from here looks all American which sure doesn't jive with growing up in Canada. I went so far as to pull the dad's official church bio, and it is indeed all American, born and died in the US, served in PA and MD all his life it looks, buried in MD. <br><br>On the other hand, if I'd been a preacher, I sure wouldn't want hockey fans to know it. It'd be funny if he really had been an American preacher who re-invented himself as a Canadian hockey pro, but quite a stretch.<br><br>The obit link will tell you who the Rev's parents were- maybe you have bio data giving Red's parents?
Added by sr/ks on Apr 13, 2010 9:02 PM
sr/ks
RE: John beattie
Hi-

The info I sent you was from Rev Beattie's official church biography. The dates on his church bio match the dates on the memorial where you left flowers.

The only way this guy is not the same man is if the person who made the memorial that you visited used the Reverend's date info and the hockey player's picture.

I know nothing about the hockey gent. I am entering data on pastors. That this man's memorial had the same name and dates of birth and death as what my bio had suggested he must have been the same man. That's why I sent it to the memorial's creator at the same time I wrote to you.

It is not unheard of (particularly for United Brethren, which my reverend is) to pursue other jobs while preaching, or to leave the church for a secular job. The UB's had a tight pay scale. Many of their pastors (if you look them up on censuses) show occupations that were not related to pastoral work.

Anyhow... I don't know where he lived or is interred, his bio only had what I sent to you. I saw you revered the hockey player and thought you might like to see the data I had. Entirely up to you if you want to research it further to confirm a connection. If it is the same guy, it's quite a combo of interests.
Added by sr/ks on Apr 13, 2010 2:49 PM
sr/ks
Hi Derek
I saw from a flower you left him that you have an interest in the hockey player Red Beattie.

The reason I noticed and am writing is this: I am currently entering data on pastors on FindAGrave. It turns out Red Beattie was a United Brethren/Methodist preacher. I have sent Red's official church bio to the person who made the memorial for Red, but thought you might like to see it too because of your interest, and because it includes the same date of death as is on his memorial which you had been wondering about.

Have a good one!


From Central Pennsylvania United Methodist Archives, Pennsylvania Conference of United Brethren Pastors:

BEATTIE, JOHN W.

Born: 10-2-1907

Died: 12-26-1990

Miller-Raker #: 654

Fulton #: no

Gibble list: no


1927 license, recommended by Hanover


1932 referred back to quarterly conference 1931,37


Note: John W. Beattie is the son of William Metzel Beattie. He later enrolled in the Army OCS (Officer Candidate School) at Aberdeen MD.

Added by sr/ks on Apr 13, 2010 8:26 AM
 

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