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John Augustus Baum (1840-1842)
Oakwood Cemetery, Troy, New York
Dates legible, but names chiseled off completely. It actually proved possible to determine with a reasonable degree of certainty why it was that the names had been chiseled away.
Frederick Biehler (1853-1889)
Fisher Cemetery (St. Matthew Lutheran Cemetery), Bethlehem, New York
An obituary used a name for this Albany patrolman's cemetery that's a name nobody today knew at all; once identified, the headstone could not be found except by process of elimination with reference to the church's records. Killed in the line of duty, yet his name isn't included on the NYS Police Officers Memorial as it should be; only the Albany Police can submit his name, yet the Chief evidently doesn't care to do so.
Joel Covington, Sr (1830-1911)
Hebron Cemetery, Clio, South Carolina
It's not every day one can fulfill a photo request for a picture of the person (rather than of the headstone) with a picture of the person standing by his own headstone.
James Harty (1835-1853) A headstone, most of the inscription crumbled away to dust, though with "Lafayette Engine Co. No. X" still showing. It still proved possible to identify the deceased even without a legible name or date. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=116765809
Millie Levy (1887-1888)
Beth Emeth Cemetery, Bethlehem, New York
A name only inscribed; no dates. It turned out she's the granddaughter of a Rabbi.
Emil "Soup Greens" Siefert (d. 1896)
Evergreens Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY
Allegedly his grave is marked just by parsley! If it's unmarked today, see if you can plant some soup greens for him?
Charles Smith (1821-1875)
Beth Emeth Cemetery, Bethlehem, New York
Almost entirely illegible due to wear, discoloration, and biological growths.
Helen Lowray Snow (1842-1845) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102774270. The photo and linked story are both poetically apropos, I hope.
Laura Wise (1847-1849)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103839199 No recognizable headstone, location of grave unknown, no burial records. Cracked - but not quite solved.
Does NYS Governor Frank Swett Black (1843-1913) have no monument at all?
Where are headstones or monuments (if any) for Cornelius Jacobsen May, Willem Verhulst, Peter Minuit, Sebastiaen Jansen Krol, Wouter van Twiller, Willem Kieft, Francis Lovelace, Anthony Colve, Edmund Andros, Anthony Brockholls, Thomas Dongan, Francis Nicholson, Jacob Sloughter, Richard Ingoldesby, Benjamin Fletcher, Richard Coote, John Nanfan, Edward Hyde, John Lovelace, Gerardus Beekman, Robert Hunter, William Burnet, John Montgomerie, Rip Van Dam, William Cosby, George Clinton, Danvers Osborn, Henry Moore, James Robertson, and Andrew Elliot?
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|ASB||RE: Jonas Morgan 44869443|
Thanks, The quote is sufficient for me to request that the manager change the memorial. I also thought it was 1824 from the Morgan Geneology. No need to go rephotograph, unless the manager gives me a hard time. ASB
Added by ASB on Feb 23, 2014 6:47 AM
|ASB||Jonas Morgan 44869443|
Hello, You took the photo of Jonas Morgan's grave. The Morgan Genealogy says he died 7 Oct 1824 age 72 which is about right for his birthdate in 1752. Do you keep your original photos? If so could you take a close look to see if the 1821 is 1824. If you use photo shop try inverting the photo. If you don't would you be willing to go back and take another look and/or photo. I'd be happy to put in a request so you can get credit. Thanks a lot. ASB
Added by ASB on Feb 22, 2014 11:46 AM
|Nancy D||William Peart|
Thank You Very Much for the links to his parents.
Added by Nancy D on Jan 25, 2014 4:10 PM
|Sue Williams||Dexter vs. Herbert Bailey|
Yes, makes sense. Do you have Dexter Bailey's memorial #? I tried to take Herbert off as father and Find A Grave doesn't seem to respond. Will try again later!
|Sue Williams||Fred Bailey's pix|
Thank you too, for the pix of his gravestone!
|Sue Williams||Fred Bailey|
Thank you for the link to his father!
|M. Hilton||Callahan Family Plot|
Thank you so much for the photos of the Callahan plot marker. I know there are many graves in that cemetery and without me providing plot #'s it isn't easy. These are my grandparents and great-grandparents and I live more than 1000 miles from there. Again thank you!
|Janet Muff||RE: copyright|
Thanks so much for understanding.
The plagiarism to which I alluded in my earlier message also occurred in a field distant from genealogy. It was very unnerving and upsetting.
But I think what has happened to my friend Margaret Jenks' books of gravestone transcriptions has upset me even more, because the theft has been so broad and unrestrained and thoughtless - whole cemeteries uploaded. How anyone would think that buying a handmade book for 20 bucks would give them the right to disseminate the information is just unbelievable to me!
And it has been so hurtful to Peggy, whose sensitivity to the issue has "metastasized" even into our relationship because I DO use her books to help me locate gravestones, and I DO create memorials based on that information before I've gotten to Vermont to photograph the stones themselves. Only recently, as Peggy has been working on a book about gravestone carvers, and has referred to many of my photographs to check her details, has she begun to recognize that I, too, have worked as hard and long as she has to secure the information on those gravestones. Now, our relationship has begun to mend, but before this the hurt went too deep, as more and more people uploaded cemetery after cemetery and her income was dramatically affected.
I prefer not to use information from published sources because I often get very lengthy pieces from other contributors who want to place these on my memorials; and even when they provide a source, this sort of usage is against the copyright law. [I've checked with an intellectual rights attorney and understand that one can't copy paragraph after paragraph of information like this. A few lines, yes. A brief quotation, like the one you sent, is probably OK.] But I don't want to quibble and sort and make decisions about these things, and so I've established a policy across the board. If you'd like me to place a reference to a particular book on a memorial, I'd be happy to do that. Then interested people can go to the library or the internet and locate the original material.
Also, much of the information presented in such biographies is redundant to what is already on the memorial, i.e., birth and death information, relationships, etc. I'd prefer not to be redundant and I have neither the time nor the interest in editing the biographical information that is sent to me. I'm very happy, however, to incorporate dates, relationships, locations, etc. into my memorials if they are sent as such. So if you find any of these missing in my memorials, please send me the relevant data and the source.
Last, I have a personal bias - yes, a bias, which is not necessarily logical - against what I see as the egregious lifting of information from other sources simply because that information appears on the internet. [Please note: I am not saying that you've done this. I'm well aware that you sent all the relevant source information.] My bias exists because my own published information (in books) has been purloined. The photos of gravestones from my memorials have been used without my permission. Even my husband's family photographs have been placed on other people's family trees, with no request, no acknowledgement, no nothing. My friend Margaret Jenks' books of gravestone inscriptions are being uploaded wholesale to find-a-grave. She has spent her whole life transcribing the stones in Rutland Co, VT and Granville, NY, and people are uploading the data from cemetery after cemetery to find-a-grave, from the comfort of their living rooms. They imagine that they are "doing a good deed, and are oblivious to the fact that Peggy spent years tramping through cemeteries in order to publish her books. They are oblivious also to the fact that by stealing her work, they are reducing her hard-earned retirement income, and this is quite the opposite of doing a good deed.
None of this may seem logical to you or even relevant, but it's my way of drawing the line. I've spent a good deal of time researching families in Rutland Co. (and elsewhere), finding and photographing their gravestones, and creating memorials at find-a-grave. Find-a-grave is not a genealogy website, per se; it is a grave registry. Keeping that in mind, I'd like my memorials to be simple and to the point.
All of this is to say, if you'd like me to add more biographical information to a memorial, then please put it in your own words, from your own personal knowledge, and send me your name so that I can give you credit for your generous contribution.
|Janet Muff||Carolyn Pember Memorial|
Thank you for the information you sent on Carolyn Pember from The Winchell Genealogy and The Vermonter magazine, but I don't include biographical information from published sources on my memorials.
I'm very happy to include birth, marriage and death information, military service, and to link people to other members of their family. So, if you would like me to do any of those things, please let me know.
Again, thank you for sending the additional information. It sounds as if Carolyn was quite an accomplished woman.
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