I love to roam cemeteries. One particular epitaph stayed in my memory, "As I am now, so will you be". Unfortunately, before I could photograph the marker, the cemetery was replaced by a parking lot in the churchyard. So many old cemeteries are being obliterated and it is a shame that future generations, including ours, loses this valuable information and foresight.
Great grand father John Emmert Been trying to call you and as I have found interest info and confusing info as to John Jacob and John Joseph do you have death cert for them? That might help clear this up?? I will email you some info I have found on him. Hugs
More Info I will also leave one more bit of info regarding the "mixup" and leave it at that. I just want to provide you with all my sources so you can have fun with this information. There is tons of great history regarding the de Nevilles and de Courtnays.
Volume 9, page 127: He [Piers de Montfort (d. 1286/7)] m., circa 1260, Maud, da. and h. of Matthew, son of Henry DE LA MARE, with whom he had Ashtead in Surrey.(q) Note q: V.C.H. Surrey, vol. iii, p. 248
Contemporary sources identify Maud as the daughter and heir of Henry, not Matthew, de la Mare, who was dead by 1265. In June or July 1280 Maud and Hawise, the wife of Robert le Veel, appear as daughters and coheirs of Joan de la Mare, deceased. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Hawise was the daughter of Joan by a subsequent husband, Walter de la Hyde, to whom she was married by 1260.
VCH Surrey cites two contemporary sources which describe Maud as the daughter and heir of Henry de la Mare [Coram Rege Roll 11, m. 14d; Abbreviatio Placitorum, 152]. She is also described as Henry's daughter and heir on 7 May 1265 [Calendar of Close Rolls, 1264-1268, p. 55]. VCH also notes that a pedigree in De Banco Roll 926, m. 427, makes Maud the daughter of Matthew, son of Henry, but as this dates from 1493 obviously the contemporary sources must be preferred.
In June or July 1280, Peter de Montfort and Maud, his wife, and Robert le Veel and Hawise, his wife, sought the manor of Norton, Somerset, which they claimed as the right of Maud and Hawise as daughters and coheirs of Joan de la Mare [Somerset Record Society, vol. 44, pp. 60-62]. In 1260, Peter de Montfort had ejected Walter de la Hyde and Joan, his wife, from half the manor of Ashtead, which they held by virtue of the wardship of Maud [Victoria County History, Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248]. In 1262 the manor of Cokeham, in Sompting, Sussex, was settled on Walter and Joan; its reversion was later sold by Hawise, the wife of Robert le Veel [Victoria County History, Sussex, vol. 6, part 1, p. 57].
[This evidence was provided by Douglas Richardson in November 2004. This question was also discussed by John P. Ravilious, Rose in Ashtead and Mark Harry. Item last updated 2 December 2004.]
Veal Family link to Royal Courtenay Family I am related to the Veal family through my great grandfather who was born in Ludgven, Cornwall. His mother's maiden name was Berryman and their linage is recorded back to Zennor in the mid 1500s.
Back in the late 1500s my ancestor John Berryman of Zennor, Cornwall married Elizabeth Veale of Gulval. Her father was Richard Veale (Vicar) and was appointed this position by Queen Elizabeth I. His father was Edward Veale of Over from Gloustershire/Cotswold area and is linked to the Veales/Veels/Vele/La Veyle
But I wanted to give you some great info regarding out relative Robert Vele. He was married to Hawise and she has a royal linage I thought you might enjoy knowing. Hawise was not a "Le Gore" but "de la Hyde"… her mother was Joan de Neville and it is here that the royal line comes in. Joan married twice first to La Mare and had one daughter (Maud ) on her second marriage she had Hawisa. Joan de Neville's mother was Hawise de Courtenay.
Detailed info concerning this is here: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I11484
Info proving Joan de Neville is Hawise de Courtenay's daughter https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/mLUyoWG1Sb8
Detailed Ancestry of Neville/Courtenay family. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=jweber&id=I33424
Looks our family line splits around William Veal:
WILLIAM VEAL (Vele), son of William and Susan Vele, was of Over, Parish of Almondsbury, County Gloucester. He married MARGARET FETTIPLACE (Phetiplace), daughter of RICHARD PHETIPLACE (died in August 1503). Margaret's mother was FREDISWIDE KENTWODE of Maydencott, County Berkshire (previously County Oxford). Margaret Veal received lands in Basildon 28 March 1547; Margaret's will dated 1595 (perhaps a different Margaret). They had the following children: Edward Veal (Vele, Veele) of Over, who married Catherine Holloway, and they died in September of 1577 and 7 November 1575, respectively, both buried at St. Mary's Church, Almondsbury;
WELL ~ I am pleased that we have made all the same connections. I've been researching for some time now and I was so happy to come across your information going back to Normandy as well. I am so intrigued by it all. I am planning on putting it all together so that my young daughters will always have something to look at in their ancestry.
Take care! Hope you enjoy this new information. Melissa
Anna Taylor # 7255121 I made a suggestion/correction regarding Anna Taylor and that I made a duplicate by accident not checking to see if there was already a memorial for her, and also included some info from the memorial I accidentally created without looking first. My memorial is # 94162179 if you'd like to transfer the information from mine to yours before the memorial I made is deleted. I also contacted other Find a Grave members to suggest if they want to, they're free to link Anna's kids from my memorial to yours and the Find a Grave member to transfer pictures from mine to yours all before I delete the one I made by mistake.
Sorry for the long message and hopefully the person who made the suggestion I delete mine won't report me for waiting while all information is transferred onto your memorial.
Because of not wanting to be reported to the Find a Grave admins, I decided to both make a suggestion and leave you a public message to try to cover my rear-end that I didn't make an attempt to delete the memorial or to make sure everything was in order before doing so, and kinda off topic but still in the topic, I have seen a YouTube video or a blog post that someone was banned by the Find a Grave admins, all their memorials deleted, all the memorials they sponsored were deleted and felt like they got ripped off for nothing more than just being a regular member for Find a Grave.