|Ray Cannata (#46894163)|
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Presbyterian pastor in New Orleans of (mostly) Russian-Jewish, Norwegian and French descent.|
Currently most into my family's::
1. Elizavetgrad, Ukraine Jews
Siebel (Siebelewky, Tsibulevsky)
Pober (Poberesky, Poberezsky)
Felnerov / Felzerow
2. Orla, Grodno, Lithuania/Belarus Jews
Kirzner (Kirsner, Kirschner)
3. New Orleans French
Author of the book ROOTED: http://www.amazon.com/Rooted-Apostles-Raymond-F-Cannata/dp/1937063925/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384383753&sr=1-1&keywords=rooted
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Looks like Bessie Poberesky was a relative of mine, through her mother Gittel Zolotarevsky. Many of my Zolotarevsky relatives lived in Elizavetgrad area, specifically in Zlatopol/Novomirgorod locale (you can think of it as Minneapolis/St. Paul, or Seattle/Tacoma, but on a much smaller scale). I am currently pondering over 1904 arrival manifest for Berel Zolotarevsky - he is listed as going to Philip Seldes, who was of course married to Bessie's daughter Mania. I can't figure out how Berel changed his name in the US. Other Zolotarevsky families were pretty creative about it - you can find their descendants with last names Solod, Solotar, Solof, Sollott, Slater, Solotaroff, Slatoff etc.
Let's compare our notes and see if we can help each other. Please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Added by Igor Sch on Jun 29, 2015 9:10 PM
ALL 4 KIRSCHNERS WERE FOUND IN Mt RICHMOND CEMETERY
THEIR BURIAL LOCATIONS WERE GIVEN TO ME BY THE RABBI THAT RUNS THE CEMETERY.
NO PROBLEM WITH ANNIE
NO PROBLEM WITH KATY
HYMAN SPELLING OF HIS LAST NAME ON THE STONE IS KUSCHNER DATES AS SAME.
NAME ON BENJAMIN GRAVE LIST HIS FIRST NAME AS BEAR, DATES ARE THE SAME.
ABOUT TO FULFILL YOUR PHOTO REQUEST FOR B. KIRSCHNER D 1952 IN MT RICHMOND CEMETERY BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HE SHARES THE STONE MONUMENT WITH HIS WIFE HELEN KIRSCHNER D 1965, SO IF YOU REQUEST A PHOTO FOR HER I WILL FULFILL IT.
ALSO I VISITED OCEAN VIEW CEMETERY TODAY IN SEARCH OF B.KIRSCHNER d1925, AND WAS TOLD BY THE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE HIM IN THEY RECORDS. THEY DID TELL ME THAT A ONE TIME OCEAN VIEW CEMETERY WAS A PART OF MT RICHMOND CEMETERY. AND BEING THAT HE MIGHT HE WAS JEWISH, HE MAY BE BURIED IN MT RICHMOND CEMETERY. I WENT BACK TO CHECK BUT THEY WERE VERY BUSY. I CHECK AGAIN SOON AND LET YOU KNOW.
Thanks for letting me know about my Duplicate. I have deleted it!
|Scott and Priscilla Butler Fraser||Others|
Still have 50 graves to enter, late evening, will continue tomorrow and will alert you if I see others. Thanks.
|Scott and Priscilla Butler Fraser||RE: Wrong Cemetery|
You can find this cemetery, very nicely kept on Helena dead ends to it on Iberville - went looking for family relations on my wifes side and found it (my thinking it was in "Gates of Prayer" also), not the case. Still adding graves and pictures, may find other transfers for you.
|Scott and Priscilla Butler Fraser||RE: Wrong Cemetery|
Not sure the problem with Find A Grave, because the two cemeteries are not the same and not in the same location, you have tried transferring these to the Memorial Park?
|Scott and Priscilla Butler Fraser||Wrong Cemetery|
Ray you will notice I have sent you a few edits. I have photographed most of the Chevra Thilim Memorial Park, Orleans Parish, Louisiana and am presently adding these memorials/pictures and have noticed that some of your memorials need to be transferred to the correct cemetery. I will add photos to your memorials.
|Abby Kay||Ben Gardner|
Sorry for the delay. Messed up Internet connection.
Rosa was never married. No idea what complications Lilly's birth caused. Since I have no dates on Lilly it might be possible that the Rabbi already went to Israel before her birth. My understanding was he left sometime after the Revolution so that was probably in the '20's.
The Rabbi's death? Not definitive but I believe it might have been as late as 1946. His grave was not marked. Bill's wife apparently paid for a marker, but no idea if it ever came to pass. Family lore is that the Rabbi was prominent. I've heard that about priests, nuns, and ministers in my family. Not sure if any of this is exactly true.
Rachel? I think she may have gone to Israel with the Rabbi. She def. came to the States at some point in what I assume was the late '40's. Bill and his wife def. met this lady and George had a picture taken with her.
While I haven't seen anything relating to the legal wrangling regarding the bigamy charges, I suspect Tanya may have been the wronged party and the lady who went after Shapsie. Tuba was most likely the innocent bystander who got caught in the middle. Her kids births predated the bigamous U.S.
marriage unless they never were married. George was born ca. 1904 and Ben was born in 1909 or 1907. Shapsie immigrated around 1912. This was not a long marriage and probably over to Shapsie's way of thinking.
As for a first Mrs. Shapsie and Peter Pober, this was news to Tom. However, it would have been consistent with everything said about Shopsie.
Fortunately, your stories about the relatives really got Tom's attention. He knew who all of these people were when I read him your email. Agrees that the would-be-assassin is a most probably a common relative.
Nathan Pobersky was probably a cousin of Shopsie's. Tom didn't have concrete info on him, but it did answer a question I had for him. Tom told me about visiting some distant cousin of George's in the early '60's. They apparently were a well off couple and lived in a luxe mid century house in Long Island with beach access. The cousin was related to Nathan and I suspect it was the wife who was the blood relative. No surname mentioned, but there was another relative named Jack Schwartz who was related to George. This man moved to Chicago in the late '60's - early '70's from the NYC area and resided here for a few years. This sketchy info came from my mother-in-law who also mentioned that Jack was well fixed. Could Jack have been connected to the Long Island relatives?
Added by Abby Kay on Jun 09, 2015 5:56 PM
|Frank K.||Hebrew Stone|
Thanks for your input. Appreciate your time.
Added by Frank K. on Jun 07, 2015 10:14 PM
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