Yes for some reason the 1935 census had him born in Nebraska, but census can have some things wrong. What seemed more important was that his birth year was right around the time it needed to be. Likewise, his parents were both from North Carolina. The other thing interesting is that Ancestry.com had:
John Coltran [John Shuman]
The fact that they would put "Shuman" in parentheses tells me that it is for sure your John Coltran as that is so close to "Schumann". Now, I just have to prove that he is also the same man as my grandpa's dad.
The fact that they didn't have children doesn't surprise me. Minnie was born 1886, so in 1934 she was 48 years old. That is pretty late in life for a woman to start having children -- especially if it is to be her first child.
Does your grandpa know what his occupation was or perhaps have photos of him? John Coltran came and visited my grandpa (Clifford Forrest Coltran) some time after my grandparents.
(FYI, The story was that John was rather a nervous man (or at least grandpa's mother made hi him nervous with her ways). He just couldn't take it anymore, so he left. Grandpa never held it against him, as he saw his dad as a good man regardless. Now he didn't get along well with his mother nor much with his younger brothers who his mother favored.)
(Note, a bit about my grandpa... I don't know where he got the name Clifford, but his middle name was from his uncle Forrest Coltran -- John Coltran's brother.)
Grandpa and his dad got along fine in their visit that they had, and in that time together he told grandpa that he was a finishing carpenter and had worked on the Nebraska state capitol building in Lincoln.
My understanding of a finishing carpenter from google is that they don't do the walls or the roof, but things like doors, windows, baseboards, railings, cabinets, etc. So basically, if you see wood work in a finished building that is what the finishing carpenter has worked on.
So I would appreciate it if you might ask him if he knew what kind of work John Coltran did...
(FYI, I researched the capitol buildling in Lincoln It was constructed in 4 phases between 1922-1932. I'm guessing that a finishing carpenter would have worked on it towards the end of that 10 year period.)
Also, it would be nice to know if your grandpa has any photos of him. I have lots of photos of my grandpa. I have no idea how much he might have looked like his dad, but that might be of some help. Grandpa's photo is on his memorial. If you could show that to your grandpa, it might be of some help, and of course if he has photos of John, I would love to see them. Here is my grandpa's memorial:
A long time ago i know I contacted you about this memorial. You said you didn't know much about him as your connection was with his wife. (That too is a bit confusing as the headstone lists Minnie 1886-19__, yet he is linked up with a different headstone labeled: Wilhelmine "Minnie" Schumann Coltran (1886-1973)... Does she have both a headstone and a footstone?)
Anyway is there anybody in your family that knows more about him? The name "Coltran" with that spelling is rather rare -- compared to Coltraine, Coltrane, etc. That is all the more reason that I think this is the right person...
Note in ancestry.com, I found a 1935 South Dakota census for a John Coltran in Fairfax, Gregory County, South Dakota. It had him born in 1882 in Indiana with both parents born in North Carolina. That info pretty much matches my grandpa's dad. Note that Gregory County is right across the border from Butte, Boyd County, Nebraska where he is buried. The distance from Fairfax to Butte is less than 10 miles.
Again, any help you can give me on this man would be appreciated.
Westerlund surname Thank you for developing the memorials for Carl and Sarah Westerlund. Since you signed the memorial as "SD relatives", I'm assuming you might be able to tell me about their daughter who married Nels David Hansen. I am trying to learn some details of these folk's history in the Gregory County, SD community. You may contact me at .
Thank You SD Relatives, Thanks so much for finding this grave for me. I had put much research into this before my Mom died. I never did find this grave. I will be making a visit to it this summer along with other family members. Thank You again, Lisa J. Gerdes
My great grandfather and great grandmother? I am not sure if this is who I have found, my father was George heath Hogan- born in Australia, his father James john Hogan born in Alabama and his father and mother were john Hogan and Minnie Hogan, we have never been able to confirm anything about my grandfather, I came across this grave on this site and was wondering how I can find anything out if possible On my fathers birth certificate it lists his dads place of birth as leigma Alabama, and his parents names the same as on this plaque. hoping some one may be able to help me . Regards Narelle Whitehead- Australia.