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jlh (#46989651)
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Bio Photo I am the youngest of two youngest in their families. Because of this some of my cousins had children older than me. I never felt like I fit into my family. This is why I got interested in genealogy. I have been researching since about 1973.

Most of my information is family related either my ancestors, my husband's ancestors or related families. My husband died in 1985 and I have continued research for his family lines.

My lines are Baker, Bayless, Biddle, Breeding, Broyles, Cupp, Devore, Fleishman Hadley, Holman, Johnson, Klug, Powell, Rose, Schone, Tucker, Ultz, Vance and others.

My husband, Dan Hawman's lines are Aholtz (Eicholtz), Baker, Burkholder, Hawman, Ilgenfritz, Keller, Lefferts, Olmstead Nixon, Robbins, Secord, and others.

Let me know if you have any questions, corrections, or additions.

Judy Broyles Hawman
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kc9901mom
Find A Grave Memorial# 66488591
Hi cousin Judy:
I updated Howell/Howard's Memorial. Also, please check your gmail. Thank you.
Added by kc9901mom on Nov 16, 2016 11:15 AM
Vonnie L Cantrell
RE: Rev Robert Baker
Judy -

Respectfully, I choose to decline your request to transfer the memorial I created for Reverend Robert Baker to you.

Please understand that I receive hundreds of emails requesting transfer of memorials on a daily basis. While I normally do not justify decisions I make, I will make comments in this case.  I can then refer others making such requests to this message.

Your note to me read: "Could you please transfer Rev Robert Baker's find a grave to me. I am his 4th great granddaughter. Having him being buried in South Carolina is confusing people."


POINT I.

No one has Reverend Baker "buried in South Carolina". Please reread the last paragraph. I wrote "he died in Missouri, thus was buried there".  I conferred with members of the Missouri Cemetery Project re Reverend Baker's burial site. Due to my interest, the group most graciously elected me a member.

As I cited in the memorial, Rev. Baker's burial site has been lost to history: no one knows where he was buried. More than likely, it was Missouri.  Since no one can say exactly where he was buried, no one can say where he wasn't nor can anyone declare authoritatively that it wasn't South Carolina. Other  members of the Missouri Cemetery Project agree with me that it was probably Missouri and Missouri has claimed that honor. 

(1) Judy, I would find it very interesting to learn where you think he was buried.

POINT II.

It is a sad fact that we do not know where the majority of our Patriots were buried. Find A Grave has resolved the issue adroitly by designating the memorials of Reverend Baker and thousands of others whose burial sites remain unknown as Cenotaphs, thus eliminating the 
likelihood of  any confusion. In order to attach the Cenotaph designation, Find A Grave, not I, determined and assigned the classification as "Burial". I think the notation is sufficient for readers to recognize the status.

We are all mature, intelligent, educated adults who realize that we will probably never learn where our ancestors  were buried.  Personally, I never considered the burial place important. That is my own personal view and there are billions of people who do not agree with me. That is their prerogative as it is mine to have - and voice - my personal view. Reverend Baker and my ancestors made it possible for me to express my views when they won at King's Mountain.

The important thing to me is that we memorialize the Spirit of our ancestors, their National Pride, their contribution to American history, be they buried in Missouri, South Carolina, or at sea.   A Cenotaph is a wonderful device  whereby to acknowledge our ancestor's existence on earth and I don't think anyone finds it confusing to have a Cenotaph for one of the soldiers who fought at the battle in South Carolina: the Battle of King's Mountain was fought in South Carolina, so that is the most logical place for the Cenotaph.

(2) Again, Judy, I would find it most interesting to learn where you locate a Cenotaph for a BKM Hero.

POINT III.

I do not transfer the memorials of the Heroes who fought at the Battle of King's Mountain. Those memorials are part and parcel of a larger work and have a purpose: they will be used as part of a series of ceremonies to be announced at a future date and as the basis for other, future works.

For over two years, I have been working on the online project, Virtual Cemetery Battle of King's Mountain. There is a cachet to be able to say that one's ancestors fought in that battle - more so than any other battle, apparently. Naturally, there have been many claims that have proven to be more traditional than actuality. So many claims in error that it has become imperative to record the actual participants documented to have fought in the battle in a public forum. It has become imperative, as well, to record those credited with the battle, yet proven not to have fought, in a public forum. Find A Grave was the perfect solution. As stated above, there are other events being planned. Rather than permit the misinformation to remain unchallenged, I published the memorials in effort to "plug the hole in the dike"  until those other, exciting events come to fruition. 
 
Against my better judgement, I broke my own rule and transferred two memorials of  BKM Heroes with disastrous results. Now, I hold firm my rule.

POINT IV.

Since you have been a member of Find A Grave for more than 8 years, you are aware that such a transfer is Out of Guidelines. These rules have a great deal of thought behind them. Would it be more fair to transfer the memorial to you, a 4XGGD, or to a 5XGGS who carries the Baker name? Or should I transfer on a first come, first served basis? My first husband, now deceased, owned a law firm. He and his colleagues would sit on our patio with their cocktails and argue the merits of each person's case for hours.  I greatly miss hearing my husband argue: he was a wonderful and brilliant man who kept wonderful and brilliant company

BTW: You were not the first to request transfer of the memorial. On one hand, it is quite flattering: people seem to like the memorials I create.  On the other hand, it makes me feel as I imagine Elizabeth I must have felt when her Council was demanding that she marry so England would have a man to rule (?!). Shrewdly, she agreed wholeheartedly with them. Then she asked whom they would have her marry - a foreigner or an Englishman. She knew all those men would not be able to agree with which foreign country England should align nor would any on the Council agree to make the family of another Council member more powerful.  I am neither shrewd nor politic: I just feel as if I know the way she must have felt.

(3) Judy, I would value your view with the merits of each: who would you choose and what would be the basis for that decision?

From Find A Grave:

First, Determine if you really need the memorial transferred to you for management. Only request transferring of management if you have extensive changes to make to a memorial. You can add photos and suggest corrections without having to request management. Simply having someone in your family tree is not grounds for a management transfer request. With hundreds of thousands of contributors, we have many overlapping family trees and it would be impossible for all contributors to manage their entire tree.

Second, Transfer requests will be for direct relatives within four generations. This would be your siblings, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.

And, most importantly:
Please remember that there are thousands of contributors to Find A Grave, and it is highly likely that some of those contributors will actually be part of your family tree and share some of your ancestors.


POINT V.

Before I create a memorial, I spend hours researching.  It is not an individual effort: I have a great amount of help. Many  descendants contact me to thank me for  my work and to offer their help and resources such as Family Bibles, Deeds, Wills, et cetera, that may be available to them, but not to me.  Descendants of Reverend Baker contacted me: I did not contact you, because you were not on the "radar". No one let me know to contact you. If you would like for me to add material to the memorial, please feel free to forward that material to me and we will review the material and will be delighted to add any material that adds value to the flavor of the memorial.

That is the value of Find A Grave: I have information, you have information, others have  information and through this compendium, a detailed sketch of the subject emerges. Find A Grave is not a fait accompli, but a living, growing  host receptive to others.

To quote Find A Grave, "the goal is not to 'own' every memorial of those to whom you are related. The ultimate goal is to have meaningful, accurate memorials that honor those who have passed away, regardless of who created the memorial or who maintains it".

Your distant relatives and thousands of others have told me that I have achieved that goal with the memorials I create. Descendants extend thanks to me for treating the memorials of their ancestors with great respect and obvious love. When I learn something new regarding a Patriot, I verify the information and then add it to the memorial. Editing is easy: the research not so much.

Thank you so very much for your comments. It is gratifying when descendants contact me: it is positive reinforcement that all those hours spent in research were not time wasted. Thank you, also, for understanding and respecting my reasons for declination.

Respectfully,
Vonnie Cantrell 






Added by Vonnie L Cantrell on Nov 09, 2016 12:56 PM
Lawrence Parks
RE: Joanna H Johnson
Judy

Great to hear from you. David Johnson is my 3rd great grandfather. I just checked my data base and find I have no name for any spouse to David Johnson. I do have a list of some children but no parents or wife or wives as the case may be.
Added by Lawrence Parks on Jun 10, 2016 4:07 PM
Spaceman Spiff
RE: Your Edit Suggesion
Thanks, Judy.
(Sorry for the delay--I was out of state for a few days).
I would appreciate whatever you may be able to find out.
Sincerely,
John
Added by Spaceman Spiff on Sep 26, 2015 10:35 PM
Spaceman Spiff
Your Edit Suggesion
Hello.
Thanks for your edit suggestion.
May I ask what the source is for your suggestion of Mary Trammell's maiden name being Baker? I had a question mark listed because it's not certain. If you have documentation as to the certainty, I would be interested to know what it is.
Thanks very much.
Sincerely,
John
Added by Spaceman Spiff on Sep 18, 2015 10:01 PM
Vickie Stone
Benjamin Rose b 1808

Judy, I added this to the NOTE on Benjamin Rose b 1808 memorial. Hope others get the message to. I also stated that I am NOT going to change the date. Thanks cousin...also added you as a friend on here. :)

Benjamin Rose was born 1808. Someone replaced the original tombstone with incorrect date. He was not the son of John Emerson Rose. This is an old error.Rest in Peace my 2 great grandfather.
- Judy Broyles Hawman & Vickie Stone
Added by Vickie Stone on Sep 29, 2014 11:28 AM
Tombstone Treasures
RE: Clara Dilks Snow
Hi Judy,

I have seen her name spelled several different ways! I am going by what is on her headstone, which is Clara Dilks Snow. It's also spelled differently in the census.

My grandmother, Ora, one of her daughters, also said her name was Clara.

I've seen it as Clarice, Clarica, Clarissa, etc.

Wish I had some pictures of her!!

Take care cousin!

Pat/Tombstone Treasures
Added by Tombstone Treasures on May 30, 2014 8:58 PM
Tombstone Treasures
RE: Clara Dilks Snow
Hi Judy!

We already do my dear...I am Pat Zalen-Long (Hondalily on Ancestry.com)

Funny how we always find each other over and over huh??

How has your research been going? I just had a major breakthrough on my mother's side of the family...been at that brick wall for years...literally!

Keep in touch cousin!!

Pat
Added by Tombstone Treasures on May 24, 2014 2:54 PM
Devastated Land Owner in NEMO.
RE: William Mathias Broyles
Added source to his memorial for his first marriage and removed the mention of the second wife. I think the marriage to the second wife, ________ Hubbard was an error as I could not find any supporting evidence for their marriage.

Sorry I sent the wrong info. to you in my previous message but I did add some info. to Reese Bayles Broyles memorial for his marriages.

Hope this helps, Farm Girl from MO.
Added by Devastated Land Owner in ... on Feb 11, 2014 5:03 PM
Devastated Land Owner in NEMO.
RE: William Mathias Broyles
See the memorial for Reese Bayles Broyles again as I added some info. The majority of my Broyles info. came from the "Broyles Family Typescript" that I mentioned in my previous message but the marriage dates were added by my mother who had copies of marriage records (only a list of very early marriage records) for both Adair and Macon County, Missouri. Hope this helps.
Added by Devastated Land Owner in ... on Feb 11, 2014 3:05 PM
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