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Thomas Elizabeth Rich CARSON @ FAG
Added by Carson, on Oct 31, 2015 4:17 PM
RE: Based on deduction and assumption...
Feel free to use any info I provide, the more info out here the better record we all create.

The info you provided confirm your wife and I are 6 cousins. With that I will give you more detailed info on our CARSON family. The name is Celtic/Scottish from the Celtic tribe McPherson but often misreported as the Kerr Clan. It is first recorded in 1250 A.D. as Acarsen. A 5th Cousin 1ce removed and I myself have done DNA Paternal test matching 35/37 confirming purity of our Thomas1740 link. Our DNA is Nordic; 45% of Carson's are, due to 860 A.D. Viking invasion of the current British Isles. 55% are Celtic DNA. Yep, your wife and kids are Vikings from their CARSON line. Unfortunately we have no details about the parents of line of Thomas1740 in Ireland. Although in Irish and German culture of the time it was demanded first sons are named for the Paternal grandfather, it can be assumed but not recorded as fact that James was his father's name as it is the first sons name.

Change Gears: the Thomas Carson 10 Aug 1817 - 28 Oct 1858 and Elizabeth Rich Carson 19 Sept 1822-31 Dec 1899 married 9 Jun 1842. Thomas born family farm Fallowfield Twp, WACoPA, Elizabeth born Adams Co. OH. Both died Rush CO IN buried Fairfield. Children Joel S., Charlotte CARSON Kirkpatrick both @ Fairview, Martha E., Mary Caroline CARSON Coller.
This is the couple I mentioned in an earlier post, when I mentioned they are buried mear feet from Elizabeth Davis Rich.
Thomas DID NOT have a given middle name, I don't know what reference you got a middle name from but it's incorrect.
As I mentioned before this Thomas is oldest brother of my Great Great Grandfather and NOT party of the CARSON line in Rush County up to this time. Joseph Carson, your wife's 4th Great Grandfather was this Thomas's Great Uncle.

Thomas1, Thomas2(Esq), Thomas Gibson3, Thomas4 b1817.
Obviously Elizabeth is a member of John H Rich family but no one can find and make the family connection, it's like the Rich family left her out of the records.

Not to confuse things more but.... Thomas4 parents were first cousins, they are my own 3rd Great Grandparents. Thomas 4 mother, Elizabeth Scott3, daughter of Sarah CARSON Scott2, a daughter of Thomas1.

So, I am actually, 6 cousin to your wife twice or through two lines.
Added by Carson, on Oct 31, 2015 4:03 PM
Based on deduction and assumption...
The wife's Grandmother is Myrtal May, Daughter of Daniel Franklin Rich, Son of Alexander Rich, soon of Martha CARSON Rich, daughter of Joseph Carson, soon of Thomas.
Thomas sailed out of Ulster Ireland abt 1760. Landed colony of New Castle, DE. Married local Mary Smith at Immanuel Episcopal Church 28 Jan 1762, I personally confirmed confirmed this with the current rectory. They had a child there in late Nov. Moved to 200 acre farm Fallowfield Twp, Washington Co PA named TerraFirma tax list 1783. Listed with DAR/SAR PA Militia 1781 WaCo. Wife on 1800 census not 1810. Will date Jan 11 1816, probate Mar 3 1817; 11 Adult children listed in Will. 10 known, 3 interred IN, 2 OH, 5 in WACoPA, Lydia Carson McDonald name in Will no other info about her exist at this time. Thomas was also a shoesmith for Fort at present day Brownsville.
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 10:35 PM
My line of y you weanlings it with your wife's. My people until me stayed in Fallowfield Twp, Washington County, PA and are buried there on the original CARSON Farm, known as Maple Creek Cemetery.
Thomas b.173?, Thomas Esq, Thomas Gibson, Alexander Scott, Jesse Frederick, J Fred Jr., Jay Fred, Me=Jay Fred Jr., I have lived in Ft Wayne In. Since 1990.
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 7:49 PM
Correction Martha
Sorry GGG Grandmother
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 7:37 PM
My Martha at Fairview is your wife's GGGG Grandmother

First, if you're right your wife is 1 cousin 3 times removed from Martha Jane Rich Michael... Then your wife and I are straight 6th cousins.

My Martha is your Martha's Grandmother. She is the mother of Joseph Carson Rich 1825-1905.

Your wife's line: Thomas CARSON, Joseph Carson, Martha CARSON Rich.... One of Joseph's syblings ....

So my Martha is your wife's 4th great grandmother and 1 cousin to my 4 Great Grandfather Thomas Gibson CARSON... Now I mention this because of the following irony..... Thomas's oldest son also Thomas left PA followed Great Uncle Joesph to Rush Co, and is buried just feet from Elizabeth Davis Rich at Fairfield; I've stood on these graves. This Thomas is a GGG Uncle to me and he married an Elizabeth Rich B. 19 Sept 1822, in 1842. We cannot find this Rich in the other Rich family trees but know she must be. Anyway that's a side thing.

Back to your wife's info. John H Rich, per Molly info, B.1772 NC D. MEIGS Twp, Adams Co, Oh. M. 7 Nov 1775 in Rowan Co. NC. Elizabeth Davis D. 18 Oct 1885 @ Fairview Cem.

So your wife, must be from one of Tillman and Martha children other than Joseph, which one??? Molly and your wife are at least 4th cousins or closer if there from the same child or grandchildren.

I hope this opens some doors.
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 7:36 PM
Martha CARSON Rich

Gary this web page is that of my family's Martha, this link goes directly to her in a family tree page built by a direct 3rd Great Granddaughter of Martha's; Molly Hager, Molly and I are 6th cousins. From this link you can go up or down Martha's line.
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 6:29 PM
Martha CARSON Rich
Gary, I'm sorry to say, from the information you provided, that Martha 1801-1891 at Zanesville, Rush County Indiana is not your wife's Martha. Martha CARSON Rich is the wife of Tillman Rich, and daughter of Joseph & Mary Scott CARSON buried in Marion County IN, granddaughter of Thomas & Mary Smith CARSON of Fallowfield Twp, Washington Co, PA and Alexander & Martha Reid Sctt also of WaCoPa. Your Martha must be another generation of family.
Added by Carson, on Oct 30, 2015 5:54 PM
RE: Zachariah Ammon's wife
Thank you for your message. The right side of the stone was blank. I will double check the transcription, but I remember walking around this stone surprised that there wasn't anyone else on the stone.
Added by Shmilybrandon on Oct 27, 2015 8:12 AM

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