Married to Jane Jones about 1769 in Pennsylvania.
34. Spencer COLLINGS was born ABT 1750 in New Jersey, and died 2 NOV 1821 in Bullitt or Nelson County, Kentucky. He was the son of 68. William Edward COLLINGS and 69. Anne Elizabeth Elston Alston or NOLAND.
35. Jane JONES was born 1751 in Pennsylvania.
Sources .... Came to Bullitt's Lick, Kentucky
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jandnmom&id=I00294
5 children:
Mary 1769 PA
Rachel 1771 PA m. Moses Hoglan in Nelson County 28 Nov 1791; 5 Dec 1791..
William 1773 PA m. Susan Ederington in Nelson County 12 JUL 1806.
Spencer 1776 Washington County, PA
Jane 'Jincy' 22 Mar 1778 Washington County, PA
Names on Payroll under General George Rogers Clark
Cover Page of Captain Briscoe and General Clark Payroll 1780
George Crist on Payroll of Gen George Rogers Clark 1782
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Note: Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. Read on.
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You will be disappointed, I'm afraid, with the Pigeon Roost biographical as pertains to Phoebe Houghland. The researcher, Constance Hackman, notes in the information on her marriage that "we know nothing of the wife or wives of William Elston Collings except that wife Phoebe signed a deed to Richard in 1827 conveying 50 acres to said Richard Collings." Then she goes on to say that there was a source at the time of producing the book (not named) that thought Phoebe was too young to have been the mother of all of William's children, and that he may have married more than once. That is the sum total of information from this book on Phoebe Houghland Collings.
One account of the massacre of September 3, 1812, tells that Phoebe was a victim and died that day, but as already mentioned, she conveyed land in 1827, and she is not listed as one of the victims in subsequent accounts of the mass burial. I have always found it interesting that the accounts of William defending the blockhouse with the help of his daughter that fateful night would indicate that his wife was not with him at that time. Did she remain in Kentucky with the younger children while he was forging a new life for them in Indiana? Was the threat of Indian attack so imminent that she had stayed at their farm near Coxes Creek (Nelson County) with other relatives awaiting a possible end to the hostilities? If she conveyed land in 1827 by deed, was she living on that land at the time or did she merely own a parcel that was sold? William did not die until November 1828 (according to his headstone), so why is she the one conveying land? I have no answers to any of my questions.
As to who her parents might have been, I also can provide no information. I think it is very interesting that this Johann Edward Houghland was on the same ship with whom I assume might have been the father of William Elston Collings (Johann William Edward Collings?). But as with all historical accounts that do not further provide incidental relationship information, he may also have been an uncle or grandfather for Phoebe for all we know. Another wrinkle, and something I have run into on numerous occasions with other family lines, would be if Phoebe's maiden name was not Houghland after all. What if Phoebe had married a Houghland at a very tender age and had become William Elston Colling's bride under her married legal name of the former deceased husband? I haven't secured any kind of marriage document to prove that kind of hypothesis, but I put it out there from past experience on brick walls.
In deference to Curt Sytsma, who has done an incredible amount of research on these families, I commend his efforts based on the scant amount of documentation available to him. Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. The current archives of documents in early Kentucky at that time is very slim. He probably visited Frankfort and dug up all he possibly could about the Houghland arrivals in Shelby County, Kentucky, from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, prior to the Nineteenth Century. But, as you know, marriage records and deeds don't tell the whole story sometimes. It often comes down to a leap of logic, and that can be wrong, too. I once assigned a daughter to Andrew Rogers, Sr., in Kentucky because I was convinced he had to be her father as he signed the bond for her marriage. Later I discovered that he was in fact her uncle and had signed the bond because his older brother was financially incapable to provide the funds for bond for his daughter's marriage. I had to let several other family researchers know that I had inadvertently led them astray. :)
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34. Spencer COLLINGS was born ABT 1750 in New Jersey, and died 2 NOV 1821 in Bullitt or Nelson County, Kentucky. He was the son of 68. William Edward COLLINGS and 69. Anne Elizabeth Elston Alston or NOLAND.
35. Jane JONES was born 1751 in Pennsylvania.
Sources .... Came to Bullitt's Lick, Kentucky
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jandnmom&id=I00294
5 children:
Mary 1769 PA
Rachel 1771 PA m. Moses Hoglan in Nelson County 28 Nov 1791; 5 Dec 1791..
William 1773 PA m. Susan Ederington in Nelson County 12 JUL 1806.
Spencer 1776 Washington County, PA
Jane 'Jincy' 22 Mar 1778 Washington County, PA
Names on Payroll under General George Rogers Clark
Cover Page of Captain Briscoe and General Clark Payroll 1780
George Crist on Payroll of Gen George Rogers Clark 1782
....
Note: Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. Read on.
....
You will be disappointed, I'm afraid, with the Pigeon Roost biographical as pertains to Phoebe Houghland. The researcher, Constance Hackman, notes in the information on her marriage that "we know nothing of the wife or wives of William Elston Collings except that wife Phoebe signed a deed to Richard in 1827 conveying 50 acres to said Richard Collings." Then she goes on to say that there was a source at the time of producing the book (not named) that thought Phoebe was too young to have been the mother of all of William's children, and that he may have married more than once. That is the sum total of information from this book on Phoebe Houghland Collings.
One account of the massacre of September 3, 1812, tells that Phoebe was a victim and died that day, but as already mentioned, she conveyed land in 1827, and she is not listed as one of the victims in subsequent accounts of the mass burial. I have always found it interesting that the accounts of William defending the blockhouse with the help of his daughter that fateful night would indicate that his wife was not with him at that time. Did she remain in Kentucky with the younger children while he was forging a new life for them in Indiana? Was the threat of Indian attack so imminent that she had stayed at their farm near Coxes Creek (Nelson County) with other relatives awaiting a possible end to the hostilities? If she conveyed land in 1827 by deed, was she living on that land at the time or did she merely own a parcel that was sold? William did not die until November 1828 (according to his headstone), so why is she the one conveying land? I have no answers to any of my questions.
As to who her parents might have been, I also can provide no information. I think it is very interesting that this Johann Edward Houghland was on the same ship with whom I assume might have been the father of William Elston Collings (Johann William Edward Collings?). But as with all historical accounts that do not further provide incidental relationship information, he may also have been an uncle or grandfather for Phoebe for all we know. Another wrinkle, and something I have run into on numerous occasions with other family lines, would be if Phoebe's maiden name was not Houghland after all. What if Phoebe had married a Houghland at a very tender age and had become William Elston Colling's bride under her married legal name of the former deceased husband? I haven't secured any kind of marriage document to prove that kind of hypothesis, but I put it out there from past experience on brick walls.
In deference to Curt Sytsma, who has done an incredible amount of research on these families, I commend his efforts based on the scant amount of documentation available to him. Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. The current archives of documents in early Kentucky at that time is very slim. He probably visited Frankfort and dug up all he possibly could about the Houghland arrivals in Shelby County, Kentucky, from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, prior to the Nineteenth Century. But, as you know, marriage records and deeds don't tell the whole story sometimes. It often comes down to a leap of logic, and that can be wrong, too. I once assigned a daughter to Andrew Rogers, Sr., in Kentucky because I was convinced he had to be her father as he signed the bond for her marriage. Later I discovered that he was in fact her uncle and had signed the bond because his older brother was financially incapable to provide the funds for bond for his daughter's marriage. I had to let several other family researchers know that I had inadvertently led them astray. :)
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Married to Jane Jones about 1769 in Pennsylvania.
34. Spencer COLLINGS was born ABT 1750 in New Jersey, and died 2 NOV 1821 in Bullitt or Nelson County, Kentucky. He was the son of 68. William Edward COLLINGS and 69. Anne Elizabeth Elston Alston or NOLAND.
35. Jane JONES was born 1751 in Pennsylvania.
Sources .... Came to Bullitt's Lick, Kentucky
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jandnmom&id=I00294
5 children:
Mary 1769 PA
Rachel 1771 PA m. Moses Hoglan in Nelson County 28 Nov 1791; 5 Dec 1791..
William 1773 PA m. Susan Ederington in Nelson County 12 JUL 1806.
Spencer 1776 Washington County, PA
Jane 'Jincy' 22 Mar 1778 Washington County, PA
Names on Payroll under General George Rogers Clark
Cover Page of Captain Briscoe and General Clark Payroll 1780
George Crist on Payroll of Gen George Rogers Clark 1782
....
Note: Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. Read on.
....
You will be disappointed, I'm afraid, with the Pigeon Roost biographical as pertains to Phoebe Houghland. The researcher, Constance Hackman, notes in the information on her marriage that "we know nothing of the wife or wives of William Elston Collings except that wife Phoebe signed a deed to Richard in 1827 conveying 50 acres to said Richard Collings." Then she goes on to say that there was a source at the time of producing the book (not named) that thought Phoebe was too young to have been the mother of all of William's children, and that he may have married more than once. That is the sum total of information from this book on Phoebe Houghland Collings.
One account of the massacre of September 3, 1812, tells that Phoebe was a victim and died that day, but as already mentioned, she conveyed land in 1827, and she is not listed as one of the victims in subsequent accounts of the mass burial. I have always found it interesting that the accounts of William defending the blockhouse with the help of his daughter that fateful night would indicate that his wife was not with him at that time. Did she remain in Kentucky with the younger children while he was forging a new life for them in Indiana? Was the threat of Indian attack so imminent that she had stayed at their farm near Coxes Creek (Nelson County) with other relatives awaiting a possible end to the hostilities? If she conveyed land in 1827 by deed, was she living on that land at the time or did she merely own a parcel that was sold? William did not die until November 1828 (according to his headstone), so why is she the one conveying land? I have no answers to any of my questions.
As to who her parents might have been, I also can provide no information. I think it is very interesting that this Johann Edward Houghland was on the same ship with whom I assume might have been the father of William Elston Collings (Johann William Edward Collings?). But as with all historical accounts that do not further provide incidental relationship information, he may also have been an uncle or grandfather for Phoebe for all we know. Another wrinkle, and something I have run into on numerous occasions with other family lines, would be if Phoebe's maiden name was not Houghland after all. What if Phoebe had married a Houghland at a very tender age and had become William Elston Colling's bride under her married legal name of the former deceased husband? I haven't secured any kind of marriage document to prove that kind of hypothesis, but I put it out there from past experience on brick walls.
In deference to Curt Sytsma, who has done an incredible amount of research on these families, I commend his efforts based on the scant amount of documentation available to him. Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. The current archives of documents in early Kentucky at that time is very slim. He probably visited Frankfort and dug up all he possibly could about the Houghland arrivals in Shelby County, Kentucky, from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, prior to the Nineteenth Century. But, as you know, marriage records and deeds don't tell the whole story sometimes. It often comes down to a leap of logic, and that can be wrong, too. I once assigned a daughter to Andrew Rogers, Sr., in Kentucky because I was convinced he had to be her father as he signed the bond for her marriage. Later I discovered that he was in fact her uncle and had signed the bond because his older brother was financially incapable to provide the funds for bond for his daughter's marriage. I had to let several other family researchers know that I had inadvertently led them astray. :)
......
34. Spencer COLLINGS was born ABT 1750 in New Jersey, and died 2 NOV 1821 in Bullitt or Nelson County, Kentucky. He was the son of 68. William Edward COLLINGS and 69. Anne Elizabeth Elston Alston or NOLAND.
35. Jane JONES was born 1751 in Pennsylvania.
Sources .... Came to Bullitt's Lick, Kentucky
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jandnmom&id=I00294
5 children:
Mary 1769 PA
Rachel 1771 PA m. Moses Hoglan in Nelson County 28 Nov 1791; 5 Dec 1791..
William 1773 PA m. Susan Ederington in Nelson County 12 JUL 1806.
Spencer 1776 Washington County, PA
Jane 'Jincy' 22 Mar 1778 Washington County, PA
Names on Payroll under General George Rogers Clark
Cover Page of Captain Briscoe and General Clark Payroll 1780
George Crist on Payroll of Gen George Rogers Clark 1782
....
Note: Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. Read on.
....
You will be disappointed, I'm afraid, with the Pigeon Roost biographical as pertains to Phoebe Houghland. The researcher, Constance Hackman, notes in the information on her marriage that "we know nothing of the wife or wives of William Elston Collings except that wife Phoebe signed a deed to Richard in 1827 conveying 50 acres to said Richard Collings." Then she goes on to say that there was a source at the time of producing the book (not named) that thought Phoebe was too young to have been the mother of all of William's children, and that he may have married more than once. That is the sum total of information from this book on Phoebe Houghland Collings.
One account of the massacre of September 3, 1812, tells that Phoebe was a victim and died that day, but as already mentioned, she conveyed land in 1827, and she is not listed as one of the victims in subsequent accounts of the mass burial. I have always found it interesting that the accounts of William defending the blockhouse with the help of his daughter that fateful night would indicate that his wife was not with him at that time. Did she remain in Kentucky with the younger children while he was forging a new life for them in Indiana? Was the threat of Indian attack so imminent that she had stayed at their farm near Coxes Creek (Nelson County) with other relatives awaiting a possible end to the hostilities? If she conveyed land in 1827 by deed, was she living on that land at the time or did she merely own a parcel that was sold? William did not die until November 1828 (according to his headstone), so why is she the one conveying land? I have no answers to any of my questions.
As to who her parents might have been, I also can provide no information. I think it is very interesting that this Johann Edward Houghland was on the same ship with whom I assume might have been the father of William Elston Collings (Johann William Edward Collings?). But as with all historical accounts that do not further provide incidental relationship information, he may also have been an uncle or grandfather for Phoebe for all we know. Another wrinkle, and something I have run into on numerous occasions with other family lines, would be if Phoebe's maiden name was not Houghland after all. What if Phoebe had married a Houghland at a very tender age and had become William Elston Colling's bride under her married legal name of the former deceased husband? I haven't secured any kind of marriage document to prove that kind of hypothesis, but I put it out there from past experience on brick walls.
In deference to Curt Sytsma, who has done an incredible amount of research on these families, I commend his efforts based on the scant amount of documentation available to him. Connecting Phoebe to parents Henry and Jemima may indeed be false information. The current archives of documents in early Kentucky at that time is very slim. He probably visited Frankfort and dug up all he possibly could about the Houghland arrivals in Shelby County, Kentucky, from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, prior to the Nineteenth Century. But, as you know, marriage records and deeds don't tell the whole story sometimes. It often comes down to a leap of logic, and that can be wrong, too. I once assigned a daughter to Andrew Rogers, Sr., in Kentucky because I was convinced he had to be her father as he signed the bond for her marriage. Later I discovered that he was in fact her uncle and had signed the bond because his older brother was financially incapable to provide the funds for bond for his daughter's marriage. I had to let several other family researchers know that I had inadvertently led them astray. :)
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