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Pvt John Toliver

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Pvt John Toliver Veteran

Birth
Wilkes County, North Carolina, USA
Death
24 Jul 1863 (aged 102)
Ashe County, North Carolina, USA
Burial
Sparta, Alleghany County, North Carolina, USA Add to Map
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Son of John Taliaferro (Toliver) &
Elizabeth Symes
One of seven children;
2 sisters & 4 brothers
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1754 Moses***see below
1756 Jesse***see below
1757 Sarah Ann Nancy (Hickerson)***see below
1758 William***see below
1765 Charles***see below
1768 Lucy (Maxwell)***see below

Married Tabitha Howell
1784 Ashe Co, NC
Father of eight (known) children;
3 daughters & 5 sons
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1785 Nancy B. (Brewer) # 18319217
1787 William "Billy"***see below
1789 John R. d. TN
1792 Mary L. "Polly" (Chance)***see below
1795 James Franklin***see below
1798 George***see below
1800 Charles H.***see below
1802 Susanna (Toliver)***see below

Note***
John was a Rev War; served as guide and soldier under Capt. Martin Gambill who was under Col. Benjamin Cleveland, NC Regiment.

He was allowed bounty land,
application executed 6/17/1856 Ashe Co, NC (see below)

Note***
John did not receive a pension. He applied for and received a Bounty Land Warrant #67685 - 160 acres issued 1855. Most warrants given to NC men were in TN.

The following is taken from a letter written in 1930 by E. W. Morgan representing the National Archives to Mrs. Fred Cretney in Leadville, Colorado:

"You are advised that it appears from the Revolutionary War records of this bureau that John Toliver, while residing in Wilkes County, North Carolina, enlisted in the latter part of the war and served fourteen days 'and upwards', as a private in Captain Martin Gambill's company in Colonel Benjamin Cleveland's North Carolina regiment. He was allowed bounty land in full satisfaction for the service rendered, on his application executed June 17, 1856, at which time he was living in Ashe County, North Carolina and was aged ninety-four or ninety-six years. In 1856, Charles H. Toliver and Jesse Toliver testified in the case. They were both at that time residing in Ashe County, North Carolina. No relationship to soldier stated."

Bounty Land Warrant 67685 - 160 - 55 - bounty land warrant allowed and executed in June 1856 in Ashe Co., NC.

Note***
Charles H. Toliver was John's son and Jesse Toliver was his grandson (son of Charles' sister, Susanna, and her husband Allen Tolliver.)

Note****INTERESTING***
Sent by Carole Conrad F*A*G contributor # 46532185
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New DNA study shows that John was not related to the other 4 brothers:

A DNA study conducted in 2003 by the Taliaferro DNA Project found a genetic match between descendants of four of the "Five Brothers" (Jesse, Charles, William, and Moses).

A descendant of the fifth brother, John, did not match the others. However, John, Jesse, and Moses did consider themselves to be brothers, proven by a declaration that John Toliver filed in 1856 in support of a Revolutionary War pension application by the widow of Capt. Samuel Johnson. In the declaration, John refers to his "older brothers" Jesse and Moses Toliver (more…)

It is possible that additional descendants of John Toliver need to be tested to verify the DNA results. If the results are valid, then John Toliver must have had a different father than Jesse and Moses. (Research from From R.L. MOON)
Son of John Taliaferro (Toliver) &
Elizabeth Symes
One of seven children;
2 sisters & 4 brothers
*****************************************
1754 Moses***see below
1756 Jesse***see below
1757 Sarah Ann Nancy (Hickerson)***see below
1758 William***see below
1765 Charles***see below
1768 Lucy (Maxwell)***see below

Married Tabitha Howell
1784 Ashe Co, NC
Father of eight (known) children;
3 daughters & 5 sons
******************************************
1785 Nancy B. (Brewer) # 18319217
1787 William "Billy"***see below
1789 John R. d. TN
1792 Mary L. "Polly" (Chance)***see below
1795 James Franklin***see below
1798 George***see below
1800 Charles H.***see below
1802 Susanna (Toliver)***see below

Note***
John was a Rev War; served as guide and soldier under Capt. Martin Gambill who was under Col. Benjamin Cleveland, NC Regiment.

He was allowed bounty land,
application executed 6/17/1856 Ashe Co, NC (see below)

Note***
John did not receive a pension. He applied for and received a Bounty Land Warrant #67685 - 160 acres issued 1855. Most warrants given to NC men were in TN.

The following is taken from a letter written in 1930 by E. W. Morgan representing the National Archives to Mrs. Fred Cretney in Leadville, Colorado:

"You are advised that it appears from the Revolutionary War records of this bureau that John Toliver, while residing in Wilkes County, North Carolina, enlisted in the latter part of the war and served fourteen days 'and upwards', as a private in Captain Martin Gambill's company in Colonel Benjamin Cleveland's North Carolina regiment. He was allowed bounty land in full satisfaction for the service rendered, on his application executed June 17, 1856, at which time he was living in Ashe County, North Carolina and was aged ninety-four or ninety-six years. In 1856, Charles H. Toliver and Jesse Toliver testified in the case. They were both at that time residing in Ashe County, North Carolina. No relationship to soldier stated."

Bounty Land Warrant 67685 - 160 - 55 - bounty land warrant allowed and executed in June 1856 in Ashe Co., NC.

Note***
Charles H. Toliver was John's son and Jesse Toliver was his grandson (son of Charles' sister, Susanna, and her husband Allen Tolliver.)

Note****INTERESTING***
Sent by Carole Conrad F*A*G contributor # 46532185
********************************************
New DNA study shows that John was not related to the other 4 brothers:

A DNA study conducted in 2003 by the Taliaferro DNA Project found a genetic match between descendants of four of the "Five Brothers" (Jesse, Charles, William, and Moses).

A descendant of the fifth brother, John, did not match the others. However, John, Jesse, and Moses did consider themselves to be brothers, proven by a declaration that John Toliver filed in 1856 in support of a Revolutionary War pension application by the widow of Capt. Samuel Johnson. In the declaration, John refers to his "older brothers" Jesse and Moses Toliver (more…)

It is possible that additional descendants of John Toliver need to be tested to verify the DNA results. If the results are valid, then John Toliver must have had a different father than Jesse and Moses. (Research from From R.L. MOON)


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