Tim Gruber

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Very few of the people who have ever lived ever show up in the history books. It is mostly through genealogy and websites like this that they are ever remembered.

It is getting tiresome to deal with suggested edits that are based on assumptions, nonsense posted on Ancestry or done just for the sake of making a change. I have more than enough to do without being expected to rubberstamp changes like remove the period after an initial, add a period after an initial, change infant son so that son becomes the middle name, add something to the middle of a quotation and other such nonsense including bad suggestions based on bad information. And it is a wonder why some people seemed to have so much time to spend on memorials I manage trying to find "something" to change despite the data on a memorial already being fairly complete. Already have the exact date? Change it anyway. Already have the exact place? Change it anyway. Already have the full name? Change it anyway. Not sure who the parents were? Link them anyway. No record showing exactly where they were born or had died? Show it anyway, assume. And so on. This is especially puzzling since I constantly come across memorials that have very little data filled in with few if any links added, memorials that have not been changed since they were created more than 10 years ago. Memorials that don't have exact dates or places, links to spouses or parents. Some don't even have the middle initial added (let alone the middle name) that is clearly shown in the picture of the tombstone. And yet they are in the same cemeteries as my memorials are in and often related. Even for veterans, I try to be as complete as possible and yet I come across veterans who are missing such basic things as birth dates, middle names or initials and anything about their service that is not on the grave marker (and I mean WWI & WWII veterans - lack of data for Civil War veterans is understandable). Yes, there are sometimes mistakes and more data that can be added, but give me a break and concentrate on memorials that really need help. As it is I have enough to keep me busy on find-a-grave until at least June 2024 without having to deal with nonsensical suggestions and assumptions.

While any picture is better than no picture please avoid the temptation to post a picture of a grave marker that isn't better than the picture(s) already on a memorial simply because you took a picture. Pictures that are dark, taken at goofy angles, blurred, too far away, clip the tombstone/inscription or otherwise unreadable don't really help and shouldn't be posted.

Please stop assuming places of birth and death. The Social Security Death Index does not indicate place of death. The place of burial has absolutely nothing to do with the place of birth or death. Where they lived is no guarantee of where they died or where they were born. If you don't actually know then leave it blank.

Please stop assuming burial locations based on death certificates which show for instance Schuylkill Haven as the burial place. It's usually indicating the town rather than specifically the Schuylkill Haven Union Cemetery. Too often they just indicted the town the person was buried in and like Schuylkill Haven and Orwigsburg there are several cemeteries in each town and any one could be their actual burial place.

Please stop suggesting birth dates based on the age at death. They are not allows accurate and depend on how they were originally calculated. I usually only indicate the year of birth for this reason. If the age at death is only accurate to the year I'll indicate the approximate year of birth.

Don't guess or assume because someone else might assume what you post is correct when all you did was guess. Not everything has to be filled in.

Children are linked to the parents, so don't ask me to link parents to the children.

Very few of the people who have ever lived ever show up in the history books. It is mostly through genealogy and websites like this that they are ever remembered.

It is getting tiresome to deal with suggested edits that are based on assumptions, nonsense posted on Ancestry or done just for the sake of making a change. I have more than enough to do without being expected to rubberstamp changes like remove the period after an initial, add a period after an initial, change infant son so that son becomes the middle name, add something to the middle of a quotation and other such nonsense including bad suggestions based on bad information. And it is a wonder why some people seemed to have so much time to spend on memorials I manage trying to find "something" to change despite the data on a memorial already being fairly complete. Already have the exact date? Change it anyway. Already have the exact place? Change it anyway. Already have the full name? Change it anyway. Not sure who the parents were? Link them anyway. No record showing exactly where they were born or had died? Show it anyway, assume. And so on. This is especially puzzling since I constantly come across memorials that have very little data filled in with few if any links added, memorials that have not been changed since they were created more than 10 years ago. Memorials that don't have exact dates or places, links to spouses or parents. Some don't even have the middle initial added (let alone the middle name) that is clearly shown in the picture of the tombstone. And yet they are in the same cemeteries as my memorials are in and often related. Even for veterans, I try to be as complete as possible and yet I come across veterans who are missing such basic things as birth dates, middle names or initials and anything about their service that is not on the grave marker (and I mean WWI & WWII veterans - lack of data for Civil War veterans is understandable). Yes, there are sometimes mistakes and more data that can be added, but give me a break and concentrate on memorials that really need help. As it is I have enough to keep me busy on find-a-grave until at least June 2024 without having to deal with nonsensical suggestions and assumptions.

While any picture is better than no picture please avoid the temptation to post a picture of a grave marker that isn't better than the picture(s) already on a memorial simply because you took a picture. Pictures that are dark, taken at goofy angles, blurred, too far away, clip the tombstone/inscription or otherwise unreadable don't really help and shouldn't be posted.

Please stop assuming places of birth and death. The Social Security Death Index does not indicate place of death. The place of burial has absolutely nothing to do with the place of birth or death. Where they lived is no guarantee of where they died or where they were born. If you don't actually know then leave it blank.

Please stop assuming burial locations based on death certificates which show for instance Schuylkill Haven as the burial place. It's usually indicating the town rather than specifically the Schuylkill Haven Union Cemetery. Too often they just indicted the town the person was buried in and like Schuylkill Haven and Orwigsburg there are several cemeteries in each town and any one could be their actual burial place.

Please stop suggesting birth dates based on the age at death. They are not allows accurate and depend on how they were originally calculated. I usually only indicate the year of birth for this reason. If the age at death is only accurate to the year I'll indicate the approximate year of birth.

Don't guess or assume because someone else might assume what you post is correct when all you did was guess. Not everything has to be filled in.

Children are linked to the parents, so don't ask me to link parents to the children.

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