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JD Day (#46967895)
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ALL SAC's/ transfer requests Must use the EDIT Button
Please DONOT send just the name or the memorial number, I need more information than that. It will help me to do the edits much quicker.
I've been doing geneaolgy for about nine years and am hooked.
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Ellie Hook
RE: Rettie Hudson
Hmmmm. Don't know. Is there a memorial number for Spouse 2
Added by Ellie Hook on Sep 12, 2017 12:23 PM
Ellie Hook
RE: Rettie Hudson
Thank you. There's a place when you add a spouse that you can put the marriage year--that keeps them in the proper order. Good job on finding the marriage to Gladys.
Added by Ellie Hook on Sep 12, 2017 11:10 AM
Ellie Hook
RE: Rettie Hudson
I'm a little confused. James and Rettie were married in 1918 and were still married on the 1940 census. I haven't seen a marriage record where he married anyone named Gladys later.

Rettie's first husband Abram Frank Hudson died on 14 Oct 1911 in Dade County, Missouri. His memorial is

I'm not sure why she was buried with last name Hudson--maybe (as in another ancestor's case I've come across), she was buried by one of her Hudson children and they wanted her relationship to them shown.

Rettie has children by both Hudson and Mallory, so to honor all her children both husband's memorials should be linked to her.

Added by Ellie Hook on Sep 11, 2017 8:30 PM
Mabel Phillips
RE: Edits
Katie Koenig's birth and death dates were on the California Death Records on-line

KOENIG KATIE M 11/27/1895 NEWCUM F MISSOURI LOS ANGELES(70) 07/21/1969 566-16-3739 73 yrs
Added by Mabel Phillips on Sep 06, 2017 1:28 AM
Mabel Phillips
RE: Edits
The Missouri Death Certificate gave the middle initial P for Amanda (Venzlaff) Service
Amanda P. Service - Deceased
Walter J. Service - Spouse
Carl Venzlaff - Father
Bertha Verch - Mother 75 November 30, 1964 Jackson 44974 1972 View Image pdf file
Added by Mabel Phillips on Sep 06, 2017 1:22 AM
Mabel Phillips
RE: Edits
I missed the fact that Herman is eleven years younger than Pearl. If I'd noticed, I would have realized that the Christian County marriage record I thought was theirs was impossible. Herman was still a child. Another question - the 1927 death certificate for newborn Herbert Lewis Brown gives parents names as Carl Brown and Pearl L. Bullard. Was this a different marriage for Pearl or was the 19 year old Herman Brown actually Herman Carl Brown? Pearl was 30 at this child's birth.

Herman Brown - Pearl Celestia 21 Aug 1918 10/096 Miner P M rev

The 1930 census seems to place them closer to the same age. Of course, sometimes the ages given are not accurate. Still, this suggests that Pearl had married first six years earlier and Herman just a year earlier. Perhaps the Carl Brown was a different person.

CCM 1930 Polk Billings 058
Brown, Herman W M Head 22 M 21 MO Germany OH Waiter Restaurant
Brown, Pearl L. W F Wife 27 M 21 MO NY MO CCM 1930

I see from the 1920 census that Herman had an older brother named Henry C. Brown. Maybe, his middle name was Carl, and somehow Herman married his ex-sister-in-law.

CCM 1920 Polk Billings 092
Brown, Charley W M Head 54 M OH Ger Ger Farmer Truck Farm
Brown, Anna W F Wife 51 M Ger Ger Ger
Brown, William W M Son 21 S MO OH Ger Laborer Farm
Brown, Henry C. W M Son 16 S MO OH Ger
Brown, Clara W F Daughter 13 S MO OH Ger
Brown, Herman W M Son 11 S MO OH Ger
Brown, Eddie W M Son 9 S MO OH Ger
Brown, Albert W M Son 7 S MO OH Ger

The 1910 census suggests Pearl was born about 1898 and her mother remarried about the time she was born.

CCM 1910 Lincoln Clever 176-178A
Turner, Jessie M. W M Head 38 M/1 12 MO TN TN Farmer
Turner, Francis C. W F Wife 40 M/2 12 6-6 NC NC NC
Turner, Wesley W M Son 10 S MO MO NC Farm Laborer
Turner, Francis E. W F Daughter 8 S MO MO NC
Turner, Suzie W F Daughter 2 S MO MO NC
Bullard, Harrie W M Step-Son 19 S NC NC NC Farm Laborer
Bullard, Pearle W F Step-Daughter 12 S MO NC NC

Frances Caroline Ash Turner
Birth: 1868 Death: 1921
Wife of Jesse Turner
Wife of ? Bullard
Family links:
Jesse M. Turner (1871 - 1937)
Burial: Pope Cemetery Clever Christian County
Missouri, USA
Created by: Mark and Kay
Record added: Dec 26, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 63333934

In checking, I see that Pearl's older sister, Verdie Melvina (Bullard) Little who is buried in Delaware Cemetery died just 9 days after Pearl.

Thanks for your help. It's always good to get the correct information out there. I'll try to check on the other questions soon.

Added by Mabel Phillips on Sep 06, 2017 12:55 AM
RE: Altic
Thank you for the inquiry. You are correct that the Iva (Ina) I linked should not be linked to Glen Dean Altic.

I reviewed the Missouri Death Certificate and then looked up both people in the 1940s Census.

Ina Mae Altic, was 15, at the time Glen Dean's birth. Living in Polk County, Missouri, with parents: Charles and Stella Altic. Charles Altic, father, was listed as the informant on Glen Dean's Death Certificate.

Miss Ina Mae Leiker was age 7, living with her parents in Wheatland, Kansas.

Thank you for your input. Evelyn Sell O'Dell, Missouri.
Added by EMO on Sep 05, 2017 6:27 PM
RE: Alma Minnie Gerloff Targac
Done ;)
Added by debbs1223 on Aug 26, 2017 3:14 PM
Glenda Adams Myers
RE: Joel Wilkerson
Thanks for all your work.
Added by Glenda Adams Myers on Aug 25, 2017 7:27 AM
kim boyd-ellis
RE: Hannah Butterfield
I happened on it more than once...let me see if I can find it again.
Added by kim boyd-ellis on Aug 15, 2017 1:55 PM
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