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DGB (#47842891)
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Bio Photo The photo is of my great-grandfather.

Feel free to use any of my photos and there is no need to bother with accreditation for non-commercial use.

I'm in the Boston-Salem-Marblehead, MA area.
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JBrown, IA, MN, Calif, AustinTX
Edward Dorr, two wives, both Elizabeth, Hawley and Dickerman Clapp French
Thank you for putting the map of the Eliot Burying Ground at the grave page of the eldest of the men named Edward Dorr of Roxbury.

That and the Pane-Joyce genealogy helped me find the missing second wife of Samuel French of old Braintree. That wife was listed in Braintree ambiguously as having been a widow of Clapp, possibly born a Dickerman, possibly marrying an Edward Dorr, all too vague, not enough dates or places, names too common, so this has stayed a mystery for several years, until now. I've now, for the first time, found all the marriage records.

LOTS. The Pane-Joyce genealogy seen online lists the lot numbers for the first Edward Dorr of Roxbury and both wives' graves. (C320, C321, and C327). The map shows them all near the tombs in Section C, with Edward next to his first wife, Elizabeth Hawley. His second wife, maiden name Elizabeth Dickerman, is in a row just to the east. She's hard to find at Findagrave as her grave has the old spelling of DOR, but the paper records all use the modern spelling of DORR.

CLAPP/CLAP MARRIAGE. In addition to the DOR problem, finding her maiden name was tricky, as it was mis-pelled for her first marriage. She had first married childless widower Ebenezer Clapp of Milton. They stayed wed until he died.

Her brother, John Dickerman, was mentioned in Ebenezer Clapp's will. John also married someone from Milton and, like Ebenezer, is buried in Milton.

Finding this Elizabeth's death was confusing as Clapp's first wife was also an Elizabeth. The town of Milton listed the first wife at her death in 1701 only as "Elizabeth, wife of Ebenezer", age 57 years.

FRENCH MARRIAGE. With her new name, as Elizabeth Clapp, she then married Samuel French of old Braintree, a man with many children.

He died in 1719 of a mystery epidemic that caused deaths in his generation in old Braintree and some think in Roxbury. Also dying in the "bad year" of 1719 was Edward Dorr's first wife, plus church elder, Nathaniel Wales of Braintree.

Wales was either the witness who signed Ebenezer Clapp's will or related to that witness. He was an elder at Samuel French's First Church of old Braintree. Some of Wales' descendants married some in John Dickerman's family, I think.

Samuel French and Nathaniel Wales were both buried at First Church of old Braintree (in the part that became Quincy, Hancock Cemetery).

Samuel is buried at Hancock by his first wife.

DORR/DOR MARRIAGE. She married Edward Dorr at her new home of Braintree, so the record is found there, not at Milton, not at Roxbury, using her new name of Elizabeth French.

BEWARE: Someone may have made an error at your page for the second wife, off by one letter, as lot B327? When it should be C327? I'll go in and change it, so head's up. If you know for sure it has to be B327 as her kin are by her, you can change it back.

NEXT STEPS. I'll add the links for her three marriages and try to send you a BIOGRAPHY for her, if I have time.

Added by JBrown, IA, MN, Calif, Au... on May 22, 2017 10:49 AM
Tom Spiegel
Thanks for the edits on the Lauben family members.
Added by Tom Spiegel on May 12, 2017 3:55 PM
Mary Ann Bumgarner
RE: John Cross
I consider them one and the same with so close of dates.
Added by Mary Ann Bumgarner on Feb 23, 2017 12:52 PM
Mayflower Pilgrim 332
2LT Clifton Richard Durkee
Thanks so much for the beautiful photos on the above memorial & for the edit link to his parents. I appreciate your time in visiting and photographing his gravesite. Richard
Added by Mayflower Pilgrim 332 on Feb 19, 2017 8:42 PM
Kathy M
Helen Homans, FAG # 121168501
Hi - the following website has info about Ms Homans, including a photo of a memorial plaque.

Would you consider incorporating some of this info, or listing the link to the website on her memorial?

Added by Kathy M on Jan 26, 2017 2:11 PM
Glenn Wallace
RE: Susanna Luscomb, 28816277
When we visited Salem in 2008, they cleared all those stones so they could repave the sidewalk in front of the church. We were TOLD that the toppled them and buried them under the asphalt! Obviously they didn't, thank God!
Added by Glenn Wallace on Jan 11, 2017 1:14 PM
Glenn Wallace
RE: Susanna Luscomb, 28816277
WOWWWWW... when did they find it and put it back????
Added by Glenn Wallace on Jan 10, 2017 1:51 PM
Hi! It's not that I'm ignoring your notes; but have been recovering (nicely) from surgery and am now getting to the point where I can start catching up on things. Let's keep working on it! I'll see what I can find. I haven't deleted any of your notes so will look at in (hopefully) soon.
Added by BLC on Jan 10, 2017 7:09 AM
Norman Dodge
RE: Pyam Dodge
David, What evidence do you have that suggests that this howard street Cemetery location is for the Son. Pyams Mother is shown to be buried in Howard Street Cemetedry # 14145410.

Added by Norman Dodge on Dec 16, 2016 8:36 PM
Norman Dodge
Find A Grave # 129469351
THank you for finding an This memorial I sse; it is broken into 5 pieces. and needs repair or replacement.
Added by Norman Dodge on Sep 14, 2016 2:45 PM
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