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John Randolph Grymes

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John Randolph Grymes

Birth
Orange County, Virginia, USA
Death
3 Dec 1854 (aged 67)
New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana, USA
Burial
New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana, USA Add to Map
Plot
Conti Alley - Tomb of the de Marigny de Mandeville family
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No records appear to survive authoritatively recording the burial of John Randolph Grymes, unusual for someone of his prominence. It is traditionally said he was buried in the Tomb of the de Marigny de Mandeville family. His step-daughter, Sophronie Louise Claiborne, married Antoine Jacques Philippe de Marigny de Mandeville.

"GRYMES, John Randolph, soldier, was born in Orange county, Va. in 1786, son of John Randolph Grymes. He was admitted to the bar and in 1808, removed to Louisiana where he attained eminence as a lawyer. He served in the battle of New Orleans as aid to Gen. Jackson, where he won great commendation for his bravery. He was Gen. Jackson's counsel in the United States Bank Case, and was the opposing counsel to Daniel Webster in the case of the City of New Orleans v. Myra Clark Gaines. Mr. Grymes was V. S. district attorney, attorney-general of the state, and a member of the state legislature. He was also a member of the state constitutional convention. During his term in the legislature he fought two duels, in one of which he was severely wounded. He died at New Orleans, La.. Dec. 4, 1854."

The National Cyclopaedia of American Biography, Volume 12, (1904) page 420 (public domain).

"JOHN RANDOLPH GRYMES.

In almost startling contrast to the fiery earnestness of Soulé was the cool, quiet, dignified bearing and the clear, unimpassioned logic of John Randolph Grymes. His bearing evidenced the pride he boasted in his Virginia ancestry; and it was to the celebrated Pocahontas strain in his blood that he was fond of attributing a certain ostentation in dress, not altogether consistent in its taste with his dignified deportment.

The manner of Mr. Grymes was singularly calm, and even in his speeches betrayals of feeling were rare. His arguments were distinguished by a quiet, logical inethod of presentation, and were always free from declamation. His voice was clear and musical, and under the most perfect control. His learning was extensive, including both the civil and common law. Without appealing to prejudice or passion, he had yet a singular power over juries, rarely failing to gain their verdicts.

The faults of his life are notorious, even to this day, surviving in familar anecdotes that have probably gained much by the passage of time and frequent repetition. Judge Gayarré in an essay published in 1877, in Harper's Magazine, dwells with severity on the faults of Mr. Grymes' life, condemning his dissipation, his extravagance, his frequent duels; but concludes by stating that in his old age he had outgrown the vices of his youth and succeeded in preserving a competency for his family.

Mr. W. H. Sparks, in his "Memories of Fifty Years,' devotes some space to a brief life of Mr. Grymes, describing him as one of the leaders of the bar, great in everything; great in his frivolities, in his humor, in his common conversation; great as a lawyer, as an orator, as a beau, as a spendthrift; in nothing was he little. It is added :

"He was a strong advocate of universal equality and the veriest autocrat on earth. Defying public opinion, he was still kind in his nature and generous to profligacy. features were manly and strikingly beautiful, and his manner was marked by the hauteur of high breeding and the distinction of ripe intelligence."

Mr. Grymes died in New Orleans, at the age of sixty eight."

Proceedings of the Louisiana State Bar Association, 1899, pages 17-18 (public domain).

"Judge John Randolph Grymes figures largely in the early American history of Louisiana. He was the son of Benjamin and Judith (Robinson) Grymes, and a grandson of Philip and Mary (Randolph) Grymes—who was a daughter of Sir John Randolph of Virginia. Judge Grymes went, in 1804, to Louisiana; he was a volunteer aide to General Andrew Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans, and was a celebrated lawyer. He fought two duels, it is said, being severely wounded in one of them. He was the Attorney General of Louisiana, United States District Attorney in Louisiana and several times served in the Louisiana State Legislature. He was counsel to Governor William Charles Coale Claiborne, the first American Governor of Louisiana, who died in 1817 leaving a widow of but 18 years and two children by her. These children were named Charles William Claiborne and Sophronie Louise Claiborne. Sophronie Louise Claiborne married Jean Bernard Xavier Mandeville de Marigny, who was a son of Bernard, Marquis de Marigny of France and New Orleans, by his second wife, Anna Morales, who was a daughter of Governor Morales, the last Spanish Governor of Louisiana. The 18 year old widow was born Suzette Bosch; she was a daughter of Bartolomo Bosch, a New Orleans cotton merchant, whose father and several other kinsmen were navy officers. Bartolomo Bosch went to New Orleans when a young man and there after his arrival married a New Orleans lady. Mrs. Suzette (Bosch) Claiborne, soon after the death of Governor Claiborne, became the wife of Julge John Randolph Grymes, by whom she had a daughter, Medora Grymes, who married Samuel Ward of New York City as his second wife; Edgar Grymes, who married Anne Darlington of Pittsburgh, Pa.; Dr. Charles Alfred Grymes of New York (who as above recorded married Mary Helen* James, No. 37 of this record); and Athenaise, who married Louis A. Von Hoffman, German Consul General in New York City; and whose daughter, Medora Maria Von Hoffman, married Antonie Amédie Vincent, Marquis of Mores, by whom she had two sons Counts Luigi and Paul de Vallembrosa, and also a daughter.

Suzette (Bosch) Claiborne-Grymes, on account of the trying climate of New Orleans, when her children were very young came to Staten Island, New York Harbor, and there bought and developed the country seat on what has since been known as Grymes' Hill. Prince Louis Napoleon once visited there for a week. Upon the suggestion of her guest, Prince de Muciano, she named her estate on Grymes Hill "Capo di Monte." She died in 1885 in Paris, France. A small volume could well be written upon the legends which have crept into print concerning this interesting household and its connections."

The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volume 55, (1924) pages 115-116 (public domain).
No records appear to survive authoritatively recording the burial of John Randolph Grymes, unusual for someone of his prominence. It is traditionally said he was buried in the Tomb of the de Marigny de Mandeville family. His step-daughter, Sophronie Louise Claiborne, married Antoine Jacques Philippe de Marigny de Mandeville.

"GRYMES, John Randolph, soldier, was born in Orange county, Va. in 1786, son of John Randolph Grymes. He was admitted to the bar and in 1808, removed to Louisiana where he attained eminence as a lawyer. He served in the battle of New Orleans as aid to Gen. Jackson, where he won great commendation for his bravery. He was Gen. Jackson's counsel in the United States Bank Case, and was the opposing counsel to Daniel Webster in the case of the City of New Orleans v. Myra Clark Gaines. Mr. Grymes was V. S. district attorney, attorney-general of the state, and a member of the state legislature. He was also a member of the state constitutional convention. During his term in the legislature he fought two duels, in one of which he was severely wounded. He died at New Orleans, La.. Dec. 4, 1854."

The National Cyclopaedia of American Biography, Volume 12, (1904) page 420 (public domain).

"JOHN RANDOLPH GRYMES.

In almost startling contrast to the fiery earnestness of Soulé was the cool, quiet, dignified bearing and the clear, unimpassioned logic of John Randolph Grymes. His bearing evidenced the pride he boasted in his Virginia ancestry; and it was to the celebrated Pocahontas strain in his blood that he was fond of attributing a certain ostentation in dress, not altogether consistent in its taste with his dignified deportment.

The manner of Mr. Grymes was singularly calm, and even in his speeches betrayals of feeling were rare. His arguments were distinguished by a quiet, logical inethod of presentation, and were always free from declamation. His voice was clear and musical, and under the most perfect control. His learning was extensive, including both the civil and common law. Without appealing to prejudice or passion, he had yet a singular power over juries, rarely failing to gain their verdicts.

The faults of his life are notorious, even to this day, surviving in familar anecdotes that have probably gained much by the passage of time and frequent repetition. Judge Gayarré in an essay published in 1877, in Harper's Magazine, dwells with severity on the faults of Mr. Grymes' life, condemning his dissipation, his extravagance, his frequent duels; but concludes by stating that in his old age he had outgrown the vices of his youth and succeeded in preserving a competency for his family.

Mr. W. H. Sparks, in his "Memories of Fifty Years,' devotes some space to a brief life of Mr. Grymes, describing him as one of the leaders of the bar, great in everything; great in his frivolities, in his humor, in his common conversation; great as a lawyer, as an orator, as a beau, as a spendthrift; in nothing was he little. It is added :

"He was a strong advocate of universal equality and the veriest autocrat on earth. Defying public opinion, he was still kind in his nature and generous to profligacy. features were manly and strikingly beautiful, and his manner was marked by the hauteur of high breeding and the distinction of ripe intelligence."

Mr. Grymes died in New Orleans, at the age of sixty eight."

Proceedings of the Louisiana State Bar Association, 1899, pages 17-18 (public domain).

"Judge John Randolph Grymes figures largely in the early American history of Louisiana. He was the son of Benjamin and Judith (Robinson) Grymes, and a grandson of Philip and Mary (Randolph) Grymes—who was a daughter of Sir John Randolph of Virginia. Judge Grymes went, in 1804, to Louisiana; he was a volunteer aide to General Andrew Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans, and was a celebrated lawyer. He fought two duels, it is said, being severely wounded in one of them. He was the Attorney General of Louisiana, United States District Attorney in Louisiana and several times served in the Louisiana State Legislature. He was counsel to Governor William Charles Coale Claiborne, the first American Governor of Louisiana, who died in 1817 leaving a widow of but 18 years and two children by her. These children were named Charles William Claiborne and Sophronie Louise Claiborne. Sophronie Louise Claiborne married Jean Bernard Xavier Mandeville de Marigny, who was a son of Bernard, Marquis de Marigny of France and New Orleans, by his second wife, Anna Morales, who was a daughter of Governor Morales, the last Spanish Governor of Louisiana. The 18 year old widow was born Suzette Bosch; she was a daughter of Bartolomo Bosch, a New Orleans cotton merchant, whose father and several other kinsmen were navy officers. Bartolomo Bosch went to New Orleans when a young man and there after his arrival married a New Orleans lady. Mrs. Suzette (Bosch) Claiborne, soon after the death of Governor Claiborne, became the wife of Julge John Randolph Grymes, by whom she had a daughter, Medora Grymes, who married Samuel Ward of New York City as his second wife; Edgar Grymes, who married Anne Darlington of Pittsburgh, Pa.; Dr. Charles Alfred Grymes of New York (who as above recorded married Mary Helen* James, No. 37 of this record); and Athenaise, who married Louis A. Von Hoffman, German Consul General in New York City; and whose daughter, Medora Maria Von Hoffman, married Antonie Amédie Vincent, Marquis of Mores, by whom she had two sons Counts Luigi and Paul de Vallembrosa, and also a daughter.

Suzette (Bosch) Claiborne-Grymes, on account of the trying climate of New Orleans, when her children were very young came to Staten Island, New York Harbor, and there bought and developed the country seat on what has since been known as Grymes' Hill. Prince Louis Napoleon once visited there for a week. Upon the suggestion of her guest, Prince de Muciano, she named her estate on Grymes Hill "Capo di Monte." She died in 1885 in Paris, France. A small volume could well be written upon the legends which have crept into print concerning this interesting household and its connections."

The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volume 55, (1924) pages 115-116 (public domain).


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