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William Lloydd

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William Lloydd

Birth
Southington, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA
Death
18 Mar 1899 (aged 64)
Whangārei, Whangārei District, Northland, New Zealand
Burial
Whananaki South, Whangārei District, Northland, New Zealand Add to Map
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From: Ray Skinner
To: Clive Lloydd ;
Geoffrey Williams'
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: William Lloyd(d) - Some 'New' New Zealand Findings

Hi Clive and Geoffrey,
A few nights ago as the result of sorting through some of my loose papers as endeavour to collate all the info I have about William, I rediscovered notes I had made 31 March 2008 at National Archives extracted from Helen (Yates) probate record (Agency BBAE, Series 1569, Item Box 59, Record 1765);
(a) Will dated 22 January 1894. "This is the last will and testament of Helen Lloydd formerly of Whangaruru, but now of Whangarei---- ['widow' deleted] the wife of William Lloydd of Hikurangi master mariner---- all my real and personal estate whatsoever and wherever situate [etc] my two sons Charles Edward Moses Lloydd and Alfred Henry Lloydd in equal shares as tenants in common and I appoint my said son Charles Edward Moses Lloydd the sole executor and trustee of this my will ----" [Has signature of Helen presumably in her own handwriting.] Thos H Steadman, Solicitor, Whangarei.
(b) In the affidavit of domicle filed 10 August 1894 William Lloydd is shown as deceased [He was not deceased. CHECK] Charles Edward Moses Lloydd is described as a bush contractor. States Helen died at Whangarei on or about 20 July 1894. Signed by Charles on 28 July 1894.
(c) Motion paper to Supreme Court, Northern District for first opportunity after Friday 10 August 1894 that probate be granted lodged by CSS George [lawyer?]. In chambers. Ordered 21 Aug 1894 [Two shilling stamp.]
(d) Precipe to seal probate in which the above is enclosed has a three £3 stamp stamped 19 September 1894.
Grant of probate reported Auckland Star of 21 February 1894, page 2 per PapersPast; retrieved 8 June 2012.
The key though aspect which triggered my interest at this time was in the will made out in January 1894, 6 months before Helen died, William was shown as being "of Hikurangi".
This prompted a Google search which revealed the following published in the Auckland Star, 26th February 1894, page 2.
(http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=AS18940226.2.9&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--);
"Fuller details have been received relative to the fire which destroyed the Comstock Hotel at Hikurangi. The building contained fifteen rooms, and was valued at£500, while the furniture was estimated to be worth £200. It was the property of Mr James Rolleston, but was in charge of Mr William Lloyd. This gentleman states that on the day of the fire he lit the fire in the kitchen, and put on his kettle. He then locked the house, and went to look after the horses. When about a hundred yards from the hotel, he noticed smoke issuing from the roof at the back of the building. He returned promptly, and found that the building was in flames. He succeeded in saving a few things, but the building and an adjacent cottage were both destroyed, together with the bulk of the contents. The only insurance was a policy in the North German Office for £300."
I could not find any other reference to the fire although there almost certainly will be somewhere. There are a number of other references to the Comstock Hotel. For example Northern Advocate, 16 September 1891, Page 4 (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NA18910916.1.4&e=-------10--1----0--)has an advert about the hotel. The location is not far north of the current large dairy factory on SH1. There is a small museum at Hikurangi village –I have periodically thought of calling in – perhaps next time I wil make more of an effort especially in view of the following item which was what I found first.
Auckland Star, 6 June 1895, Page 2; per PapersPast;
Whangarei, this day. At the Warden's Court yesterday, a mineral prospecting license was granted to William Lloyd to prospect for cinnabar at Puhipuhi. A prospector's license to F. A. White was also granted".
Then from other trawling;
Report on Goldfields: Wardens Reports: Appendix to the Journals of the House of Representatives, 1894: "Mr. Warden Bush to the Under-Secretary of Mines, Wellington. g m Magistrate's Office, Auckland, 19th April, 1894. I have the honour to report that practically nothing has been done in the Puhipuhi Mining District with regard to gold-mining during the past year. No fresh discoveries worth working have been made. An expert, representing an English syndicate, has visited the field; but, so far, nothing favourable has resulted from his visit. All the licensed holdings have been forfeited, with the exception of three, and complaints are now pending in the Warden's Court for the forfeiture of those also. No mining has been done during the past year. A party has been engaged for some months prospecting for cinmbar, but their efforts up to the present have been unsuccessful in locating the lode. I have, &c. The Under-Secretary, Mines Department, Wellington. E. S. Bush, Warden." per PapersPast. PLUS more at page 16 which states the Comstock Hotel was burnt to the ground a few days prior to the inspector's visit on 24th February.
From page 3 "The Puhipuhi Mercury Mine", Dept of Conservation, August 2010;
"Alluvial cinnabar was noticed in the Puhipuhi area in 1892, the discovery prompting a flurry of prospecting to find the source (H. Ferrar et al.,1925.) In 1907, quartz outcrops at the head of the Waikiore Creek were found to contain cinnabar and a Mr Holder began to work the deposits. Three years later, Mr Holder's claim and adjacent ground were taken over by the Whangarei Cinnabar Company, which built a small treatment plant."
Puhipihi Road is off SH1 at Whakapara and close to Old Russell Road. A range of general interest material about the area is available such as a poriton of the page at www.naumaiplace.com/site/whakapara/home/page/122/background/. There are anumber of references about the mineral lode and the mining exploits in years following William's prospecting.
Also found a Sheep Return for Helen;
Lloydd, Helen, Mrs, Whakapakara, Russell. No. of sheep on May 31 1890 = 102 and April 30 1891 = 120, per page 13 of The Annual Sheep Returns for the year ended 31st May 1890 per Appendix to the Journals of the House of Representatives, 1891. Retrieved from www.atojs.natlib.govt.nz on 5 June 2012.
Questions arise. For example;
• Why had they left the community(ies) out on the coast?
• Why was William in this particular area?
• How long did William look after the hotel –hours, days, months?
• Why was Helen in Whangarei – related to illness?
• Had they split up? Note: Her estate was left to two of their four sons and no mention of William.
• The hotel fire was about a month after Helen made out her will – was he distracted because of somehting about their relationship/her health?
• Why did he go prospecting? – By this time William was aged 61.
• Did he have ‘nothing better to do‘ after Helen's death? Or did he feel there was a worthwhile opportunity?
• Where did Willam and Eliza Roebuck get married in January 1896?
• When/how did they meet?
• Where did they live?
(Helen died July 1894, William remarried in January 1896)

Cheers, Ray
From: Ray Skinner
To: Clive Lloydd ;
Geoffrey Williams'
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: William Lloyd(d) - Some 'New' New Zealand Findings

Hi Clive and Geoffrey,
A few nights ago as the result of sorting through some of my loose papers as endeavour to collate all the info I have about William, I rediscovered notes I had made 31 March 2008 at National Archives extracted from Helen (Yates) probate record (Agency BBAE, Series 1569, Item Box 59, Record 1765);
(a) Will dated 22 January 1894. "This is the last will and testament of Helen Lloydd formerly of Whangaruru, but now of Whangarei---- ['widow' deleted] the wife of William Lloydd of Hikurangi master mariner---- all my real and personal estate whatsoever and wherever situate [etc] my two sons Charles Edward Moses Lloydd and Alfred Henry Lloydd in equal shares as tenants in common and I appoint my said son Charles Edward Moses Lloydd the sole executor and trustee of this my will ----" [Has signature of Helen presumably in her own handwriting.] Thos H Steadman, Solicitor, Whangarei.
(b) In the affidavit of domicle filed 10 August 1894 William Lloydd is shown as deceased [He was not deceased. CHECK] Charles Edward Moses Lloydd is described as a bush contractor. States Helen died at Whangarei on or about 20 July 1894. Signed by Charles on 28 July 1894.
(c) Motion paper to Supreme Court, Northern District for first opportunity after Friday 10 August 1894 that probate be granted lodged by CSS George [lawyer?]. In chambers. Ordered 21 Aug 1894 [Two shilling stamp.]
(d) Precipe to seal probate in which the above is enclosed has a three £3 stamp stamped 19 September 1894.
Grant of probate reported Auckland Star of 21 February 1894, page 2 per PapersPast; retrieved 8 June 2012.
The key though aspect which triggered my interest at this time was in the will made out in January 1894, 6 months before Helen died, William was shown as being "of Hikurangi".
This prompted a Google search which revealed the following published in the Auckland Star, 26th February 1894, page 2.
(http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=AS18940226.2.9&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--);
"Fuller details have been received relative to the fire which destroyed the Comstock Hotel at Hikurangi. The building contained fifteen rooms, and was valued at£500, while the furniture was estimated to be worth £200. It was the property of Mr James Rolleston, but was in charge of Mr William Lloyd. This gentleman states that on the day of the fire he lit the fire in the kitchen, and put on his kettle. He then locked the house, and went to look after the horses. When about a hundred yards from the hotel, he noticed smoke issuing from the roof at the back of the building. He returned promptly, and found that the building was in flames. He succeeded in saving a few things, but the building and an adjacent cottage were both destroyed, together with the bulk of the contents. The only insurance was a policy in the North German Office for £300."
I could not find any other reference to the fire although there almost certainly will be somewhere. There are a number of other references to the Comstock Hotel. For example Northern Advocate, 16 September 1891, Page 4 (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NA18910916.1.4&e=-------10--1----0--)has an advert about the hotel. The location is not far north of the current large dairy factory on SH1. There is a small museum at Hikurangi village –I have periodically thought of calling in – perhaps next time I wil make more of an effort especially in view of the following item which was what I found first.
Auckland Star, 6 June 1895, Page 2; per PapersPast;
Whangarei, this day. At the Warden's Court yesterday, a mineral prospecting license was granted to William Lloyd to prospect for cinnabar at Puhipuhi. A prospector's license to F. A. White was also granted".
Then from other trawling;
Report on Goldfields: Wardens Reports: Appendix to the Journals of the House of Representatives, 1894: "Mr. Warden Bush to the Under-Secretary of Mines, Wellington. g m Magistrate's Office, Auckland, 19th April, 1894. I have the honour to report that practically nothing has been done in the Puhipuhi Mining District with regard to gold-mining during the past year. No fresh discoveries worth working have been made. An expert, representing an English syndicate, has visited the field; but, so far, nothing favourable has resulted from his visit. All the licensed holdings have been forfeited, with the exception of three, and complaints are now pending in the Warden's Court for the forfeiture of those also. No mining has been done during the past year. A party has been engaged for some months prospecting for cinmbar, but their efforts up to the present have been unsuccessful in locating the lode. I have, &c. The Under-Secretary, Mines Department, Wellington. E. S. Bush, Warden." per PapersPast. PLUS more at page 16 which states the Comstock Hotel was burnt to the ground a few days prior to the inspector's visit on 24th February.
From page 3 "The Puhipuhi Mercury Mine", Dept of Conservation, August 2010;
"Alluvial cinnabar was noticed in the Puhipuhi area in 1892, the discovery prompting a flurry of prospecting to find the source (H. Ferrar et al.,1925.) In 1907, quartz outcrops at the head of the Waikiore Creek were found to contain cinnabar and a Mr Holder began to work the deposits. Three years later, Mr Holder's claim and adjacent ground were taken over by the Whangarei Cinnabar Company, which built a small treatment plant."
Puhipihi Road is off SH1 at Whakapara and close to Old Russell Road. A range of general interest material about the area is available such as a poriton of the page at www.naumaiplace.com/site/whakapara/home/page/122/background/. There are anumber of references about the mineral lode and the mining exploits in years following William's prospecting.
Also found a Sheep Return for Helen;
Lloydd, Helen, Mrs, Whakapakara, Russell. No. of sheep on May 31 1890 = 102 and April 30 1891 = 120, per page 13 of The Annual Sheep Returns for the year ended 31st May 1890 per Appendix to the Journals of the House of Representatives, 1891. Retrieved from www.atojs.natlib.govt.nz on 5 June 2012.
Questions arise. For example;
• Why had they left the community(ies) out on the coast?
• Why was William in this particular area?
• How long did William look after the hotel –hours, days, months?
• Why was Helen in Whangarei – related to illness?
• Had they split up? Note: Her estate was left to two of their four sons and no mention of William.
• The hotel fire was about a month after Helen made out her will – was he distracted because of somehting about their relationship/her health?
• Why did he go prospecting? – By this time William was aged 61.
• Did he have ‘nothing better to do‘ after Helen's death? Or did he feel there was a worthwhile opportunity?
• Where did Willam and Eliza Roebuck get married in January 1896?
• When/how did they meet?
• Where did they live?
(Helen died July 1894, William remarried in January 1896)

Cheers, Ray


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